Your knowage is amazing
I will download your last 2 messages for my resource file.
Thank you for a clear, exact explanation.
Sally in Connecticut
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of DSA2003
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 12:36 PM
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Naturalized Canadian Citizenship ? - Dual Citizenship
Dual Citizenship depends on the laws of the various countries involved, in
particular that of the native country of the migrant.
When taking out citizenship in a new country, it's normal to "renounce all
previous allegiances" ie to your native country. Some countries recognize
that renunciation, others don't.
In the case of the United Kingdom, to renounce British Citizenship, and have
that renunciation recognized, you must inform British authorities otherwise
the renunciation is taken as being made under duress and therefore invalid.
So a British Citizen migrating to America, Australia or any country
automatically retains their British Citizenship after swearing allegiance to
their new country. (I think this is probably true for Citizens of the Irish
Republic as well).
I can't comment on Canadian Citizenship law, but one of the features of the
Australian Act which established a separate Australian Citizenship in 1949
was that native born Australians lost their citizenship if they took out
citizenship of another country. This happened to Rupert Murdoch when he
acquired American citizenship. This also meant that a Briton migrating to
Australia could have dual citizenship, but an Australian migrating to
Britain could not.
In the past few years, this has been recognized as contributing to a
permanent brain drain, as Australians who moved overseas and took out
foreign citizenship for career purposes, couldn't easily return to
Australia. As a result the Act has been (or is being) amended to allow
Australians to retain the citizenship when they emigrate.
As regards British Emigrants passing on their citizenship to their
offspring, that can be done through either parent or through the paternal
Grandfather. However, this area of British Law has changed a bit over
recent years. One motive for some of the changes was the reversion of Hong
Kong to China in 1997 and the prospect of 5 million Hong Kong Chinese with a
right to relocate to the United Kingdom on the basis of their British
Citizenship!! There was also the earlier case of Idi Amin expelling all the
Asians from Uganda. (When Kenya and Uganda gained Independence in the 60s,
the Asians in those countries whose ancestors had migrated to build the
railways etc, had to choose either Kenyan, Ugandan, Indian or British
Citizenship. Guess what they chose!)
In the 1970s, I had an American friend in Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) who
acquired a British passport on the basis that his paternal grandfather had
been born in the West Indies before the island in question became
My advice would be that if you have a claim on British Citizenship, acquire
it and get the Passport, and then keep the passport up to date as once
you've got it, it won't be taken off of you. But if you don't get it,
future changes in the qualification rules may later on prevent you from
I was born in Londonderry (courtesy of the Royal Navy). From this I have
In the Constitution of the Irish Republic there is a claim on the six
counties of Northern Ireland (was this changed as part of the Good Friday
Peace Agreements ??). And from this I have (or had) a claim on Irish
My maternal grandfather was Otto August Wilhelm Kunde (a good Geordie name
isn't it?). Although English born he was ethnically German, and from him I
am what is called "Volks Deutsch" with a right to German Citizenship.
So, apart from being a naturalized Australian, I have a claim on the
Citizenship of three countries by birth. I use both an Australian and a
British passport when travelling, presenting whichever one is most useful at
the particular border crossing. In 2009, I went to South America to visit a
step-brother who was the British Defence Attaché to Chile. At Santiago
airport, there was a big sign in English only stating that Americans,
Canadians and Australians had to pay US$30 Arrival Tax as a retaliation for
their arrival taxes. I presented my British passport and didn't have to
I also have a Geordie cousin, who like me is a quarter German. He's married
to German girl and had three children, all born in Germany. Each of his
children has two birth certificates, a German one from being born in
Germany, and a British one because their father also registered their births
with the British Consul in Hannover.
Dutch law is different again. If a Dutch family with children, in
particular a son under 18, migrates to another country, and becomes
naturalized before their son turns 18, then Dutch law does not recognize the
naturalization of the son and he is liable for National Service if he
returns to the Netherlands. The "trick" here is that the son should wait
until his 18th birthday before becoming naturalized in another country.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sally Factor
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 7:54 PM
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD Naturalized Canadian Citizenship ?
Good Morning David,
Thank you for clearing up my errors.
I always learn a great deal from you.
I know the Queen is the Head of State and she, or her representatives,
occasionally make a ceremonial visit.
Would someone hold dual citizenship?
Example; someone now settling in Australia but parents and grandparents
citizens of the United Kingdom....would that person be eligible for dual
If one were to leave Canada and take up citizenship in Australia one would
not forgo allegiance to the Queen, so how is it done?
I like the requirement NZ holds for students having a sizable Bank Account
while at school and therefore not become a ward of the State
I have questions about voting rights, world events after WWII and other
matters which I will ask off line.
Thank you for setting me straight.
Sally in Connecticut
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