I'd fully agree that there was no way English troops were held back in WW1. There were
20,000 deaths on day one of the Somme, and substantial numbers of those were from the
English Pals battalions. The Irish made a significant contribution that day, with some
short term success, but the slaughter affected regiments from nearly every part of the
Empire (as was.)
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On 5 Aug 2016, at 17:12, Cliff. Johnston via
Thank you for your valuable information. I was going strictly by what I had seen on TV,
a WWI documentary. There was a quotation to this effect by an English politician on the
program. I figured that an English politician should know the facts. Just goes to show
that one cannot rely on the media or politicians for accurate information. One needs to
research everything stated before taking it as the gospel truth. The "hole"
that you point out is glaring, to say the least.
On Thursday, August 4, 2016 2:14 PM, "fausset(a)fausset.plus.com"
Many thanks for letting me know your source for the comment. I think it
must have been one those programmes where historical accuracy pays second
fiddle to 'THE MESSAGE', which, I am afraid, is all too common these
days. I attended a recent lecture from the Military Consultant on a major
WWI film epic of a year or so ago, enumerating the amount of times his
advice was over ridden by the famous director as it 'made better cinema'
The point here being that there was NO Election in Britain during WWI!
One was due in 1915, but it was decided not to hold it until the War was
over, and it duly took place in 1918.
Furthermore, the voters would have included Scotland, Wales and Ireland,
which makes the statement a load of 'old cobblers' to use the vernacular.
And it wasn't just sons dying in France. It was their brothers, fathers
On happier and safer ground, where I now live in Hampshire, there were
many Canadian regiments stationed in both wars, including a Hospital. We
have a Canadian War Cemetery in our sleepy village churchyard and every
year on Canada Day they are remembered. Many of the roads in the village
have Canadian names - Canada Way, Huron Drive, Montreal Walk and so on.
We recently made a contribution to the Canadian Red Cross towards the
forest fires in Alberta.
I grew up in tne 1930's, so I remember the not uncommon sight of ex
service men from WWI with missing legs or arms.
Later on my school was evacuated to the country because of the bombing.
One morning we woke up to find that a Canadian Tank Regiment had moved
into the woods beside the school, on their way to D Day. We were really
curious and a Canadian officer said that he would show us round a tank, on
condition that we then kept away from the camp.
It was amazing, and we spent the next days riding our bikes around the
paths pretending to be tank commanders.
Then one night they disappeared just like they had arrived. I often
wonder what happened to them all.
> I got this bit of information from aÂ war documentary produced in
> EnglandÂ on WWI.Â
> Typically the English troops were held back from the fiercest fighting in
> the months just before elections in England.Â English politicians knew
> that too many home deaths would be reflected in voting against them.Â
> English mothersÂ became very political when it came to their sons dying in
> a foreign country.Â They may not have had the vote, but they knew how to
> influence their husbands' votes, and they did.Â You are welcome to take
> issue with the English politicians; however, I believe that they are all
> deceased ;-)
> Good hunting,
> On Wednesday, August 3, 2016 9:52 AM, fausset via
> <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> I was fascinated by your old soldierâ€™s stories, but I am afraid that I
> must take you to task over using Irish and |Scots troops to preserve
> English soldiersâ€™ lives in WWI.
> I do not believe that the 4,006,158 soldiers recruited in England remained
> in relative safety while the 557,618 recruits from Scotland, the 272,924
> recruits from Wales and Monmouth, and the 134,202 recruits from Ireland
> fought the difficult battles on their behalf.Â You may like to look at
> various casualty rates for the several campaigns.
> No old soldierâ€™s tales, but my late (English) mother, years ago, once
> recounted how as a young woman nursing Canadian wounded in England she
> would read the daily posted casualty lists to watch the names of the young
> men she had grown up with appear one by one until they were all gone.
> Having said that, my late (Irish) father was the only one out of several
> cousins to survive the First War, nor does it forget the Canadian victory
> at Vimy Ridge, which had defied the French 1st Army â€“ despite a brief
> success by the 1st Moroccan Division â€“ and the British XVII Corps.
> Martin Fausset
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