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Collection code P017/0063
Date 1 April 1854
Lease made between William Hamilton Enery, Ballyconnell house,
county Cavan, esquire, and Owen Magauran, Carramore, county
Cavan, in respect of part of the lands of Mullanacre Upper
(Mullinacree Upper), parish of Tomregan, barony of Tullyhaw,
county Cavan. Bounded on the north by the large mountain, on the
south by the river separating it from Moher, on the east by the
river separating it from Carramore and on the west by the road
leading to the mountain. Contains 20 acres late Irish plantation
measure. Lease to run for the natural lives of Victoria Adelaide
Mary Louisa, Princess Royal of England, and Albert Edward,
Prince of Wales, or term of 31 years, whichever is longer. Annual
rent of £3 sterling.
Magauran covenants to do suit and service at the Manor of Gwyllym Brooke
and perform all lawful customs associated with the Manor.
Collection code P017/0014
Date 27 October 1750
Description Document which relates to the division of the lands of
Ballymagauran between Randal Slack and Arthur Ellis.
Ballymagauran was divided into two sections, one westward and
the other eastward of the great road. Lots were cast to decide
who was to acquire which section. Ellis won the casting of lots
and chose the eastward division. In consideration of the
privilege of choice, Ellis paid £10 to Slack, over and above half of the
rents, fees and duties payable to the Early of Tyrone and subject to
Slack's agreement made with Frederick Lawder. On verso of document is
information relating to the rental and use of land in the two sections
Names of land occupiers present.
Devenish, The Abbey Cemetery
Here lyeth ye body of | Ann McManus wife | to Laury McGaharin | who died
June 22nd, 1782. | Aged 36 years.
' An angel with extended wings hovering over inscription.'
I. H. S.
" This stone was erected by Hugh Magagharan of Derrygeeraghan to the
glorious memory of his wife Anne Magagharan who departed this life June
ye 22nd 1798. Aged 50 years."
" Pray for the soul of John Magagharan who departed this life Oct. 31st,
1781, aged 38. Also his father Edward Magagharan who departed this life
May 6th 1790 aged 82 years. Also his only daughter Marg t -
wife of Hugh O'Reilly of Armagh, Esq., withdrawn at 34 years of age to
the irreparable calamity of her family."
The Magagharans or Magaurans — for I believe they are the
same — were people of considerable means, even after 1690.
It could have been Morrison or Elliott. Most likely the latter as the family were Methodist.
It it was Morrison I have a "Friend in court" so to speak.
Always handy to have that.
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> On 31 Oct 2014, at 16:02, Dave H via <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> What company supplied the new one Vi?
> Have you ever been to some of these g/stone makers? Often there are
> stacks of old stones "around the back!"
A relation of my Bro in law told me his father had the gstone in
Bellanaleck, which had the whole list of names and dates, replaced by a new
one with just the WALLACE name on it. I don't know what happened the old
stone but Albert said he did not even have a photograph of it. Grrrr
It is annoying when old stones are removed and no transcription of it
recorded somewhere. I asked the Minister if he had a transcription of it
but the only way to find who was buried would be to have someone go through
the register he said.
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My great-grandfather, born about 1860 in Liskaskea, married in July1889 in Portsmouth. We have had the usual vagueness with birthdate by different opinions... We haven't been able to trace what James was doing for these odd thirty years,nor where he apparently was, somewhere in India following his marriage, until they popped up again, back in Portsmouth in the Naval Yard, June 1890...So we're hoping someone knows (perhaps a long-lost cousin???)😄😱
I'd be very grateful if you can provide any advice.
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I have just uploaded the last of the 1849 Irish Constabulary Enlistees. These
men would have been born about 1829 or so. They served all over Ireland.
The men listed below joined in 1849. They were NOT natives of Fermanagh but -
served in Fermanagh during their careers. Royal Irish Constables did not serve
in their home counties and if they married a local girl they were moved. At
least a couple of these men married women who were from Fermanagh.
NAME SERVICE #
BOLGER, David 12477
CARSON, John 13022
CARTON, Denis 12478
COSGROVE, Pat 13326
CROSSDALE, Stepn 12888
DOYLE, Patrick 13074
FAGAN, Pat 13365
FLOOD, George 13554
FOX, Pat 13378
GRAHAM, Thos 13032
GRAHAM, Wm 12901
GREENAN, Peter 12883
HAMILTON, Jim 12940
HEANY, Richd 13465
HOLMES, Josh 12996
LYDON, Patrick 12612
MARLEY, Mich 12552
McELWEE, Andw 13174
M'CONNELL, Jas 12819
M'DONNELL, Jno 12806
O'DONNELL, Jas 12961
O'NEILL, Roger 13634
PARKER, Henry? or Adam J? 12921
SHERIDAN, John 13276
SMYTH, Wm (1849 13698
WALDRON, Wm 13072
WILSON, Arthur Hill 13200
If you have an R.I.C. man who would have joined in the 1840's - check
We are now working on 1848. That will take awhile but I have the images if
anyone has the Service Number. I can check.
You've the likes of:
James Bowes United Kingdom, Chelsea Pensioners' Service Records, 1760-1913
birth: 1859 Fermanagh
pension: United Kingdom
on FS, for example.
plus if he was at Portsmouth wouldn't he have a Service number and record?
My great-grandfather, born about 1860 in Liskaskea, married in July1889
in Portsmouth. We have had the usual vagueness with birthdate by
different opinions... We haven't been able to trace what James was doing
for these odd thirty years,nor where he apparently was, somewhere in
India following his marriage, until they popped up again, back in
Portsmouth in the Naval Yard, June 1890...So we're hoping someone knows
(perhaps a long-lost cousin???)😄😱
I'd be very grateful if you can provide any advice.
Which is a graphic reminder to delete all the extra messages whenever you reply to a post on FG. Everything in those repeated messages will show up as a separate listing for your search term - many more than you'll want to wade through!
Been there, done that - Linda
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:01:10 +0000
From: Dave H <hallmarkone(a)gmail.com>
Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD ALL 40,000,000+ POSTS on FG can be SEARCHED
To: "fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com" <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com>
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USE SURNAME or whatever as Search Term!!!!!
This gets one ALL posts back to 1980 to search through!!
Oh no!!!! All of that history lost! I have photographed all of the family headstones I have been able to find in Scotland and when there was no stone erected, have photographed the space anyway. There is a family stone in Dundee's Eastern Cemetery that had fallen over and was in three large pieces. My husband, daughter, a friend and I put the pieces together in a way where I could photograph and transcribe the inscription. (And that it isn't in the way--doesn't cause a safety hazard.) It was through that stone that I found the names of my gggps, my ggps, the "missing" great uncle in the Campbell tree and that he died in WWI and is buried in France. Also his wife's name. All that through a headstone!
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> On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:33 AM, Viola Wiggins via <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> A relation of my Bro in law told me his father had the gstone in
> Bellanaleck, which had the whole list of names and dates, replaced by a new
> one with just the WALLACE name on it. I don't know what happened the old
> stone but Albert said he did not even have a photograph of it. Grrrr
> It is annoying when old stones are removed and no transcription of it
> recorded somewhere. I asked the Minister if he had a transcription of it
> but the only way to find who was buried would be to have someone go through
> the register he said.
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No problem John, the person to answer your question would be Cathriona
in Clones Library.
Even with old g/stones it's difficult to know who has rights, if you
take my g.g.g.great uncle whose g/stone is completely eroded of any
names, dates etc and direct line is extinct there's myself and a few
others at same level as relatives... Can I re-engrave the stone?
I have all the data as it was written down years ago and the dates etc
As for the g/stone in question it is difficult to know who had the right
to remove it? If it was a danger the church has responsibility of safety
and can remove/secure it if they have no one to contact about it..
On 31/10/2014 02:08, John Olson-Kennedy wrote:
> Thanks again Dave for your post. It's really fascinating how
> 'destruction' can actually lead to unintended, but very real 'preservation'.
> With regards to my previous comment in this thread, I believe that I've
> found an explanation:
> -) There are a ton of new gravestones on old plots. In the 1980's,
> the new stones were by and large at the back, in the areas that
> hadn't been used before for plots. Now, the new gravestones are the
> majority, even at the front, in the oldest part of the churchyard.
> From what I can see, The Boom Years brought bigger cars, larger
> houses, and new gravestones on family plots.
> I found a picture of of my Beagan family plot in St. Tierney's, which I
> think was taken some time in the 2000's. The photo was taken far enough
> back to show a number of graves (and the Burma Petrol Station up the
> road). There was not a blade of grass to be seen in the frame. The
> ground all around had obviously been leveled, and there was empty space
> all around the Beagan grave. I'm guessing that if no living family
> claimed a plot, it was cleared to make way for new burials. All that
> space has since been filled by new plots and the new stones I saw in
> August this year. I have a very vague recollection of hearing of the
> churchyard having been "re-done". Perhaps this was a follow-on project
> to the renovation of the Chapel back in the early 1980's. Perhaps again,
> that's when the Montague stone was removed. I'm still surprised they
> would have touched that one as, in my mind, I recall people were fond of it.
> On a related matter, I know that when you "buy" a plot in Milltown
> Cemetery in Belfast, it is not "in perpetuity". Rather, you have the
> right of burial for 75 years, after which, if you do not renew the
> lease, the plot may be leased to someone else. This is meant to provide
> a steady income to the cemetery for maintenance. (Anyone who saw
> Milltown in the 1980's with the chest-high grass and trees growing out
> of graves can understand the alternative.) While I really, really hate
> to see old stones come down, I can understand the need for a cemetery to
> be sustainable over the *very* long term. I just hope that they keep
> good records...
> John in NC.
> On 2014/10/18, 05:18 , Dave H via wrote:
>> Government contracts to builders building new churches used to use stone
>> from old church but in the contract they were also allowed to use
>> g/stones etc and also 'leave the site tidy' when finished so took what
>> they wanted.
>> The post I made a while back about a school being demolished
>> demonstrated this as it was discovered that the foundations were in fact
>> g/stones laid down on top of each other and in excellent condition, so
>> in one way they were actually preserved.
>> The window sills on many an old cottage were parts of g/stones. The
>> estate cottages in Glaslough for example, someused g/stones and some are
>> revealed during renovations etc.
>> It's mainly the cut-stone cottages where these are found rather that he
>> "standard" Irish cottages. When they were used they were put 'face down'
>> so anything on them was preserved.
>> At an ancient church near me there are g/stones piled up in a corner
>> dating back to 1600's but at least they are being protected by
>> leaves/moss etc growing on them. Another, in Monaghan was 'tidied', any
>> fallen stones were put in a corner, since then all leaves, grass
>> cuttings etc has been dumped on top of them so they are buried under a
>> mound of compost. Thankfully I know none of mine are in the heap.
>> Perhaps Montague stone was removed due to poor foundations etc and
>> possibly falling over on someone..
>> On 18/10/2014 00:50, John Olson-Kennedy via wrote:
>>> I looked around the churchyard to see if I
>>> could find the original stone stashed some place, but alas couldn't find
>>> it. There were however a couple of old stones lying to the side, but
>>> stacked up, so I could only see the top one, and it wasn't it.
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When I was in Cavan four years ago (before I knew about the headstone project that has become so dear to me now), I visited the ruins of the Franciscan Friary in Abbey Lane in Cavan Town. It was founded by an O'Reilly in the 1300's by an O'Reilly although a couple of centuries later was burned by my clan as well. All that remains is a bell tower. History says the stones of the Abbey were used for building in the town. However, as I wandered around the yard, I noticed a large stone "trough" that seemed to contain loads of marked stones. I think they may have been headstones because they call the yard a churchyard. I can't find anything online that says specifically how or why they were removed from the yard. A treasure trove though because it was both a friary and a C of I church until it was finally destroyed.
Happy All Hallows Eve/Hallowe'en to all my fellow Celts!!!
I researched the story of Alice Kittle, the daughter of an Inn-keeper and money-lender, for a member's talk for Killesher Historical Society about 5 years ago. The person burned at the stake was her Maidservant.
Alice fled to England and lived out her natural days there.
I used my Grandfather Crozier's "Annals of Ulster" books published in the early 1840s in 4 Volumes as my source
My notes were lost when the old computer crashed.
The hunt against her was really a family feud between her, her son by her first marriage, and her cousin, a Bishop of the Church at that time.
The link did not work for me. A pity, as I'd have liked to read someone else's viewpoint on it all.
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> On 30 Oct 2014, at 19:31, sean roche via <fermanagh-gold(a)rootsweb.com> wrote:
> I listen to all this guys podcasts...
> and obviously they cost money to produce...
> BUT this podcast mentions a request for CROWDFUNDING investment...
> this is a similar concept to 'Angels' investing in the movie industry...
> If it produces more books/podcasts etc. I am all for it...
> If you do not like the idea then just ignore the post...
Possibly a descendant of your William's son William b.1810...
Year of Census Extract 1851
Surname of Pension Applicant Somerville
Christian name of Applicant Annie Maria
Applicant's present address C/O P O Tempo, Co Fermanagh
Surname of Father Somerville
Christian name of Father Wm
Maiden Surname of Mother Johnston
Christian name of Mother Rebecca
Residence Location - County Fermanagh
Residence Location - Barony Tirkennedy
Residence Location - Parish Cleenish
Residence Location - Townland Coolbuck
Residence Location - City-
Surnames of each family member Christian names of each family member
Relation of each family member Age of each family member
Somerville Ann - 17
Somerville Rebecca - 11
Somerville Robt - 9
Somerville Noble - 7
I listen to all this guys podcasts...
and obviously they cost money to produce...
BUT this podcast mentions a request for CROWDFUNDING investment...
this is a similar concept to 'Angels' investing in the movie industry...
If it produces more books/podcasts etc. I am all for it...
If you do not like the idea then just ignore the post...
I posted a link in September that all messages on FG could be searched
way back in time as many didn't seem to know that there were Archives
and that these could contain something of relevancy posted over almost
Then link used to be attached to posts made in Digests etc but has
For you, me, everyone it is always a good habit of seeing if anyone has
posted anything over time on whatever site being looked at.
For you my advice would be to look at each and every post on Weir made
over almost 20 years.. you can do this via my previous posting
I hope this helps and that you might find something!
On 30/10/2014 15:20, Karen Howard wrote:
> Which archives? I've looked on Family Search and Ancestry extensively. I've Googled. Tried PRONI and other Irish sites but not sure I'm doing correctly. Nothing ever comes up. Don't know if it's me or what the problem is. All help and advice would be greatly appreciated!!
> With an exact marriage date in Fermanagh and even the reverend's name, and the fact that Robert was a major in the Enniskillen Dragoons I don't know why nothing comes up! I know when they left Ireland as well. Figuring it probably was from Sligo? And arrived in Cobourg, Ontario about 1822.
> Frustrating that nothing comes up! Not even possible matches.
> - Karen
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What a brilliant link.
Between the two us my husband and I have 3 great uncles who died in France in the Great War.
Two of them (one on each side of the family) are listed on the site as having written wills and we should have the transcripts within 10 days.
Can't thank you enough for passing this info on.
Michele in Perth, Western Australia
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> Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:33:58 +0000
> From: Dave H <hallmarkone(a)gmail.com>
> Subject: FERMANAGH-GOLD Will of soldiers who died while serving in the
> British armed forces between 1850 and 1986.
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> "irl-co-donegal(a)rootsweb.com" <irl-co-donegal(a)rootsweb.com>
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> The last wills and testaments of 278,000 British soldiers who died on
> the battlefields at Ypres in Belgium have been digitised for the first time.
> It means that members of the public can search for a document by name,
> rather than having to trace the original to one of several archives
> across the country.
> British servicemen who died in the First World War tended to carry
> informal wills with them on the battlefield in slim pocket books. In
> some cases, these documents are the only physical traces of a soldier
> that were found.
> The project has brought to together thousands of the mud-stained,
> battle-scarred wills from government archives around the country. They
> are now being housed in a state-of-the-art facility in Birmingham
Karen, there are 136 matches from 40,219,885 documents for WEIR in Archives
Might be something for yours posted at some stage in the last 17 years??
Maybe you've already looked?
On 30/10/2014 10:48, Karen Howard via wrote:
> Specifically, do you see and Weirs or Graham's listed? Looking for the parents of my 3 times great grandparents Robert Weir born 1 August 1787 and Catherine Graham born in February 1797.
> Thanks, Karen
There are only "fragments"of early census available and searchable at the website Dave has given because of various reasons ranging from some census records being destroyed by fire or pulped during the 1900s.
Some census substitutes such as Tithe applotment books, and griffith's Valuation contains heads of family only, not listing children.
For early records search Spinning wheel lists, Muster Rolls or Leases, and Estate Papers of Landlords at Public Records Office (Proni) in Belfast or National Archives Dublin. Some of those records are only available by visiting and searching in person.
Tracing family in Ireland is not easy, but not impossible.
When tracing fermanagh families it is necessary to find what Townland/Parish they were from.
Names like Elliot, Elliott, Armstrong, Graham, Grahame and of course Maguire are located in almost every Townland and Parish.