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It was more than a possibility that they could be 2nd cousins rather than
1st cousins. I know of two such marriages in my lifetime. one of then was my
brother in law's brother married his 2nd cousin. The other one my brother's
best friend married his 2nd cousin. Also in my family tree there is a
marriage between 3rd cousins.
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From: "Margaret Barnes" <barnesdm(a)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: 30 June 2007 23:46
Subject: FER-GOLD Morrows & Armstrongs
> I know many of the families in Fermanagh were 'clanny' but was it
> common in early 1800s to marry a first cousin? Was this condoned by
> the Church of Ireland? I have come across references where I think
> researchers have presumed that spouses of similar surnames were
> Margaret in Oz.
> Research interests:
> WILSON/HAMILTON/MILLER - Co. Tyrone - N.Ireland
> MORROW/ARMSTRONG/JOHNSTON/CLINTON - Co. Fermanagh N. Irl.
> ALLINGHAM - Co. Donegal, N. Ireland
> BARNES/WHYBROW - Co.Cambridge, Norfolk England
> DURHAM/WRIGHT - Aberdeen, Scotland
> COLLINS/ALLEN/HOCKING - Co. Cornwall, England
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I am no authority...BUT,..my Copeland married an Armstrong and they were
first cousins. If I'm not mistaken years ago I think it WAS more accepted. Didn't
the royal family marry within? I had heard that they thought "it would keep
their lines pure". Even tho (for example) lets say the King of England married
and aligned with a pricess from Spain, in truth they might have been cousins
since most of European royalty was related. Is this true? I remember
hearing/learning it somewhere....
Sue in NY
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My Grandmother, on the maternal side, was Mary Catherine Smith. Her
daughter, my mother, named one of her children, Mary Catherine Flanagan. She
married an Elwood Smith and became Mary Catherine Smith.
One of duaghters married a guy whose mothern's maiden name was Downey from
My Grandmother, Paternal side, maiden's name was Margaret Elizabeth Downey
from Alexandria, Virginia.
This was within the 3rd degree of Kindred. Thank God for generalogy. It did
not take long to find out that there was more distant then the 3rd degree.
> Subject: Re: FER-GOLD History of Old Church in Tower Cemetery
>> That was the old Chapel of Ease built subsequent to Pynnar's
>> survey of
>> 1618-1619 and restored in 1667, and tower erected by Patrick
>> Delany in
>> It simply fell in a state of disrepair and new Church of Ireland,
>> Street was built in 1829 at a cost of £2300.
Thank you so much for your help Viola, and Breege for your
information about the old Church.
Does anyone have any information on the Vance's in the area of Irwinstown
prior to 1835?
What I have so far:
Born: Jun 1801 IRELAND (census dates vary)
Died: 2 Jan 1886 Lyndon, Aroostook, Maine, USA
Married: Jane (born: abt 1810 Ireland / died: 28 Jun 1881 Lyndon,
Aroostook, Maine, USA )
Immigration: Leaving the Port of Londonderry, Ireland on the Schooner
Nancy, 2 May 1834 for St. John, New Brunswick, Canada with Jane Vance.
Residence listed as: Irwinstown
A William Vance (20 years old) was also listed as a passenger from
Some indication that Jane may have been a KEYS, but this is not documented.
Children born in New Brunswick and Maine 1835 - 1852:
Mark W. Vance
I will be down in I'Town on 9th July for a Focus Group meeting with WHSSB/
Senior Citizen's Consortium in Mahon's Hotel and can take a few pictures if
I'll probably get some of interior of St Mary's RC church if it is open. The
Ch of I will not be open.
But if someone has some and donates them meantime please let me know.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roy Keys" <apeiron(a)vif.com>
Sent: 28 June 2007 21:40
Subject: Re: FER-GOLD History of Old Church in Tower Cemetery Irvinestown.
Does anyone have photos of the exterior and (especially) interior of the
Irvinestown church they would be willing to share electronically? Thanks in
I am requested the Information you asked for from Breege. She is the expert
historian in Irvinestown.
----- Original Message -----
Subject: FER-GOLD History of Old Church in Tower Cemetery Irvinestown.
> I have just found Kenneth Allen's lovely photo of the Old Church Tower,
> at the head of the Main street in Irvinestown.
> I am now wondering if any lister can tell me the history of that old
> How was it destroyed and when etc?
> Many thanks,
Hello Listers: Even though the MCBRIDE"S/Harvey's are from Tyrone<Omagh district I wondered if anyone out there would have any connection to them. Charles and wife Susan emmigrated to Canada in 1842. Would love to hear from anyone with info. Rose McBride Canada
Hello Brian, Apologies for not replying sooner!! Yes, it is the Fitzpatrick
family I was talking about - Daniel and Catherine (Mullins) and 7 children.
I did check the Tithe Applotments on site and there was one Daniel Fitzpatrick
in the Parish of Drummully, Townland of Clinagor, in 1828.
Re Mullins, there was a Bernard Mullin also in the Parish of.Drummully,
Townland of Clincorick in 1828 and a Catherine Mullen in the Parish of Derryvullen,
Townland of Coolaness in 1835. In the Griffith's Val'n. which I realise is
after the Fitzpatricks came to Melbourne, Vic.(1841) there were only a few
Daniel in 1841 was aged 37yrs and Catherine (Mullins) 30yrs. Their
children's ages ranged from Mary 12yrs - Lucy 10mths (3 boys, 4 girls). I am trying to
locate the deaths of Daniel and/or Catherine in Victoria, not as easy as NSW
Thanks again Brian for your interest and information.
Does someone know what the practice was for naming offspring in wills of the 1500 & 1600's in Ireland (or the British Isles in general) if the children were under 21. I have seen one will which mentions "Minor children". Another which only mentions one son - the one who inherits the title, for instance.
Bonnie (Acheson) Anderson
Dear Viola, Ray, Bob, Bonnie,
This website is truly amazing - each time I call for assistance lovely folk always answer!
Thanks to you all for the data on my query re Cornadarum, very much appreciated. I have narrowed my search down (hopefully) to Glennashever, Beagh Little, and Cornadarum.
This may still seem a lot of territory but I have hopes of arriving at a correct solution. My Felix Dolan/Norah McCabe and James Snow/Mary Keon combinations have kept us on the hop in Aussie. Seems incredible that having the names and County of GGGrandparents still makes them elusive! The timeframe we are working with - 1770/1860 makes it so.
It is my hope and dream that one day I will visit Fermanagh and see this seemingly beautiful County for myself ,and all the places where my family lived, loved and died. In the meantime, it is PC all the way, questing, and much anticipation. If anyone has a list of burials in the old Churchyard at Cornadarum, or know where I could obtain one, I would be most grateful.
Your input is very much appreciated.
And Viola, I have a lovely litter of Japanese Chin pups 4 weeks old tomorrow - 1 male and 3 girls; all ok so far. Quite beautiful, and hopes for the show ring at a later date. Lots of work, though, and much sitting on floors in the middle of the night - good for thinking genealogy thoughts. ;-)
Warm regards to all,
Great news from you Dee. The trip to Fermanagh will be the start of a love
story for you. I've already been over twice, and this summer we're having a
family reunion in Irvinestown. I know Viola is going to get together with
us, and if others want to join in they are welcome.
Are you using the SEANRUAD site?
I just searched there, and there it is for you.
I merely searched only for the PARISH of Inishmacsaint; and it brought up
ALL of the townlands, including Cornadarum.
OR am I misinterpreting your message, in that you now want to find its
position on a MAP?
If so, sorry that I cannot help in that department.
Regards: Ray (also in Oz)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dee Byster-Graham" <deebg(a)bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2000 11:22 AM
Subject: Spam: Re: FER-GOLD Lies and Damn Lies.
> Hi Listers,
> After having looked at every site I can think of to find the Townland of
> CORNADARUM in Inishmacsaint Parish I am about to throw a 'hissy fit'! ;-)
> KNOW it`s there somewhere but doesn`t appear to be on any maps. Being only
> 74 acres in area it is probably too small to show on the maps. Can any
> friend point out where it is in relation to Derrygonnelly and other
> Townlands it abuts? I need to pinpoint it`s position. Beginning to
> it is a damn lie!
> Thanks so much for help with this ,
> MORETON BAY.
Thanks for answering - yes, I want to find Cornadarum on a map , so I know it`s physical location within the Parish of Inishmacsaint. When I tried google it said there was no such place listed - however I am not totally adept with internet and google etc yet, and perhaps I do not know the correct way about it.
Do not have the SEANRUAD site now, when the PC crashed many of my files were deleted and many are jumbled and difficult to locate and SEANRUAD is one of these. If someone could kindly send it to me would be most grateful. I will attempt google maps again and try to get it correct! many of the problems I experience stem from my still driving on 'L' plates with the web.
Thanks so much for any suggestions,
After having looked at every site I can think of to find the Townland of
CORNADARUM in Inishmacsaint Parish I am about to throw a 'hissy fit'! ;-)
KNOW it`s there somewhere but doesn`t appear to be on any maps. Being only
74 acres in area it is probably too small to show on the maps. Can any kind
friend point out where it is in relation to Derrygonnelly and other
Townlands it abuts? I need to pinpoint it`s position. Beginning to believe
it is a damn lie!
Thanks so much for help with this ,
I'm a little late in sending this but if you look at a map of Fermanagh,
Garrison is far left of Derrygonnelly, on the eastern shore of Lough Melvin. It
is south of Beleek.
Hope this is of some help.