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Hi, everyone --
I found the following Pettengill on the 1881 census, running the Horse &
Groom Hotel in Streatham. I believe he's one of my lot, though not a direct
ancestor. Does anyone know anything about this particular Horse & Groom
(seems to have been one in every town in England)?
Thos. W. PETTENGILL Head M Male 31 Streatham, Surrey,
Louise E. PETTENGILL Wife M Female 22 Chelsea, Middlesex,
Kate CAVILL Serv U Female 18 London, Middlesex,
Elizabeth RUBY Serv U Female 18 Wands Rd, Surrey,
Emily SQUIRE Serv U Female 24 Chislewick, Derby,
William BENTLEY Serv U Male 23 Lingfield, Surrey,
Dwelling Horse & Groom Hotel
Census Place Streatham, Surrey, England
Family History Library Film 1341155
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 0667 / 139
Page Number 25
Mary in chilly Maryland
Does anyone have access to "Croydon In The Past" who can determine if
there are any references to surname "CURTIS", especially in relation to
St. John the Baptist Church. Thank you Fred Curtis Nova Scotia
I've just joined the list. I've been searching for the birth of my
g.grandfather for over 18 months in Leicester and feel that I may have found
it in Woolwich Kent. In the 1881 census, there is a William Matthews living
with his grandparents William and Mary A. Matthews in Frensham, Surrey. I
believe the grandson's father could be abroad serving with the RHA. I've
searched the IGI and FreeBMD for a reference to his birth but with no
success. If the family followed tradition, the eldest son should have been
named William, after his father but as you can see, there is no-one of that
name. If someone has the census index of 1871 or 1861, or access to the
parish records of Frensham, I would be very grateful if they could discover
if there was indeed a son named William Thomas: In 1871 their ages would
William Matthews 36
Mary A. Matthews 38
John Matthews 7
Henry Matthews 5
George Matthews 3
Frederick (a few months maybe)
If this isn't possible then I will have to wait until GenFair is
operational. Many thanks.
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Can some one point me in the right direction for the above censuses? I am
having trouble deciding the siblings of my gt grand mother as there appears
two of the families with the same parents not in the same place as she was
born. I hope this makes sense.Thank you in anticipation.E.B
Hallo Kind Surrey Listers,
Does anyone please have access to the Surrey 1891 Census ?
Could they please ( if possible ) do a look up for me at the following address
79 , Beulah Road
I am very interested tto find out if my LAND's were at that address in 1891.
Bob Land ( in the Netherlands )
Just re-subscribing to list after a long break. Currently researching my paternal ancestors. According to 1901 Census my great grandfather Robert Henry Kelly was born Kingston, Surrey. He married Clara Wall who was born Norbiton Surrey - so not far apart. Is there anyone out there researching same families. Robert Kelly's father it appears probably came from Ireland or Isle of Man.
Also researching Bailey on my maternal side. The Baileys I know about so far come from Addlestone (St Pauls). Great Grandfather Charles Bailey married Ellen Paulley from Up Cerne, Dorset.
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Have just been seen the lunchtime BBC London news on TV and they said that
following protests over how the people doing the Channel Tunnel rail-link
have treated other cemeteries, they will not be digging up St Pancras
cemetery with bulldozers (!) but will find a more 'humane' way to exhume the
bodies and bury them in another London cemetery (although which one that'll
be they didn't say).
Sounds like things are at a quite advanced stage... :(
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Can someone please tell me if St.Saviours Church, Herne Hill Road, S.E. has
I was evacuated with this school to Riverhead in Kent in August 1939.
Thank you for any small 'gems'.
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Could someone explain this to me please. My GGG Grandfather has written down on some parish records he was
1. Of the Customs House London,
3. Merchant and Commission Agent
I know the Gent part but not to sure on 1 and 3.
Also could somebody tell me if I am right in thinking St Mary of Newington Surrey is a Catholic Church and if St Mary of Lambeth is the same religion also back in 1822 which church would have been the same religion as St Mary Newington in the Walton on Thames area.
Thank you for reading and I hope some kind person can help or at least tell me where to look.
I would also be very interested in such a website.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: 29 November, 2002 10:52 AM
Subject: Re: [SRY] Latest on the St Pancras cemetery fiasco
> Hi Listers
> Has the St. Pancras Cemetery been input into any sort of Data entry system
> that we could access and see if we have family buried there? It is too bad
> that so many cemeteries are being put away to "PROGRESS" but I could say
> this thought is from an ancient lady who believes in "Restoration, not
> Destruction." Are they sure that they could not have bulldozed around the
> An interested lister who believes in conserving some of our past.
> If there is a Web page for St. Pancras or any other information on above
> interested in address, email or URL
> Kindest of Regards
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Has the St. Pancras Cemetery been input into any sort of Data entry system so
that we could access and see if we have family buried there? It is too bad
that so many cemeteries are being put away to "PROGRESS" but I could say that
this thought is from an ancient lady who believes in "Restoration, not
Destruction." Are they sure that they could not have bulldozed around the
An interested lister who believes in conserving some of our past.
If there is a Web page for St. Pancras or any other information on above I'm
interested in address, email or URL
Kindest of Regards
I am researching the above names and would like to find out more about the family.
George and Jane Clemson living at that time in the outer London area.
Children were George, Ann, Agnes, Henry William.
On the death of George Jane married John Froggatt and they went to live in Sutton.
Is anyone else out there researching this family so we may share just what we both have.
The line also goes to Australia and NZ.
Hi Listers, having just discovered my great-grandmother Elizabeth PARKER's
family in the 1881 census, I am now wondering if there are any descendants
of her siblings out there.
They were Frances aged 14, Lucy 12, Edmund 7, Charles 3.
Their parents were Robert & Elizabeth Parker.
Their address in 1881 was 248 Fort Rd, Bermondsey, Surrey.
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Thank you for my Box Hill messages folks, they have gone down a treat here in New Zealand. My sister in Campbells Bay, is forwarding on to friends who knew the burial up Box Hill...seems we are all very interested in odd burial sites.. but this one had bugged me for years...never realised he was upside down..knew he was sort of standing!!
I have just heard about St.Pancras graves in London, being bulldozed for a Channel Terminal...wont say what I think, it would be rude!! This is what they call Progress? I think everyone should fight against this action!
Guess we will all be tossed to the sharks for feeding one day, as old cemeteries are being resold for progress...just hope they have a special memoriam tablet for these burials..similar case in Poole where Lifeboat Ins. want the space of an old cemetery...so anyone looking in years to come for ancestors...unless the names are written on a plaque how would one find out anything!
Well its a dismal spring day here in Clareville. New Zealand...have a great day friends.. adele
I always wondered where that quote came from - I don't know if the following is
the correct (full) version or not but I remember it being quoted "frequently" as
"Where every you be let the wind blow free - in church or chapel let it rattle."
I too would be interested in the origins of this.
dennis hall wrote:
> A fascinating story indeed!
> In similar vein - well, not quite perhaps - but the reference to "The
> Walking Dunghill" brings to mind another local eccentric philosopher who
> gave advice inscribed on his gravestone about the positive effects of
> "letting one's wind go free.." Believe this to be in the village of
> Thursley. Would anyone know the full verse, whether it is Thursley village
> and still readable [ie visible!]
> and, like Major Labellière, the story behind it?
> These stories like the coming Christmas spirit, help the drinks go round and
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian Gaboury <bjgaboury(a)sk.sympatico.ca>
> To: <ENG-SURREY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, November 28, 2002 9:18 PM
> Subject: Re: [SRY] Box Hill
> > Hi,
> > Thought you might want more of the story.
> > Taken from "Dorking a Surrey Market Town through twenty centuries" edited
> > Alan Jackson
> > It is sad that one old cottage no longer exists, because it housed the
> > eccentric, Major Peter Labelliere(1726-1800). Born in England of French
> > he served in the 92nd Regiment of Foot, and lived in a cottage known as
> > Hole in the Wall" behind Holder House in South Street. A cultivated man,
> > became negligent of his appearance,until known in the town as "The Walking
> > Dunghill" He left explicit instructions about the manner of his funeral
> > burial,including a requirement for his landlady's two youngest children to
> > on his coffin. He was buried upside down on Box Hill, where every visitor
> > now read his name. Claiming that the world was topsy-turvy, he wished to
> > right at the last.
> > I hope this is of some help.
> > Ellen
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