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    This list is for discussion of Manchester and Salford area family history. Any discussion on how our forebears lived, why they migrated to the area, where they worked, and similar topics is welcome. Discussion of family history, migration patterns, immigration, historical sketches, census data, wills, vital records (births, marriages, deaths), and web sites relating to Manchester and/or Salford is encouraged. Please only send details about ancestors you know came from or lived in these areaa or who had other connections with Manchester and/or Salford. There are lists for most counties, and also area lists and national lists for those who aren't sure exactly where their family originated. The area covered by the list is roughly what is now enclosed and near the M60 Motorway. Several towns are included that are not strictly Manchester but are so intertwined as to make them inseparable. These include, but aren't limited to, Salford, Oldham, Ashton-under-Lyne, Urmston, Denton, Hyde, Eccles, Pendlebury, and Stockport. Please do not hesitate to contact me for advice if you are unsure of the area. I'm the volunteer administrator of this list. My responsibility is to keep the list running as smoothly as possible. To that end, the guidelines that follow have been established. This message is very looooooong, but there is a lot of important information and I wanted this message to be as comprehensive as possible so there would be no misunderstandings. Please READ, PRINT, KEEP, and ABIDE by these guidelines. Failure to abide by list guidelines will result in, at best, having your posts moderated, or, at worst, being unsubscribed from the list. Have fun and good luck with your research! Lynne List Administrator ENG-MANCHESTER-admin@rootsweb.com ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ NEW SUBSCRIBERS: ~ Please post a message to the list introducing yourself. 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For someone on a single list, there is no way of knowing if a question has already been answered on another list. ~ ~ ~ ~ HELPFUL SITES: * List information, archives and subscription links: http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/ENG/ENG-MANCHESTER.html * Other mailing lists: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html Family History Societies: * Furness Family History Society: http://members.aol.com/FurnessFHS/fpw.htm * Lancashire Family History & Heraldry Society: http://www.lfhhs.org.uk/ * Lancashire Parish Register Society: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/lprs/ * Liverpool & SW Lancs FHS: www.liverpool-genealogy.org.uk * Manchester & Lancashire FHS: www.mlfhs.org.uk * North Meols FHS: http://www.nmfhssouthport.co.uk * Ormskirk & District FHS: www.odfhs.freeserve.co.uk * Wigan F&LHS: http://www.wiganworld.co.uk/familyhistory/default.asp Lancashire family history research: * Blackpool - Issuing of Certificates and Family History Research: www.blackpool.gov.uk * Bolton Archive and Local Studies Service: http://www.gmcro.u-net.com/purple1.htm#Bolton * Bury Archive Service: http://www.bury.gov.uk/bury/councilservices/leisure/archives/ * Cyndi's List - Lancashire: http://www.cyndislist.com/eng-lan.htm * Family history searches in Salford: http://www.salford.gov.uk/living/bmd/historysearch.htm * Footsteps Photographs - Lancashire: http://www.footstepsphotos.co.uk/Lancashire/lancashire_index.htm * GENUKI Salford pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Salford/ * GENUKI Manchester pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Manchester/ * GENUKI Lancashire pages: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/ * Greater Manchester Archives: http://www.gmcro.co.uk * Lancashire OnLine Parish Clerks: www.lan-opc.org.uk * Lancashire Will Search: http://www.xmission.com/~nelsonb/lws.htm * Lancashire Surname Interests: http://www.lancslist.com/ * Lancashire Record Office: http://www.lancashire.gov.uk/education/LRO/index.asp * Lancashire Churches: http://www.lancashirechurches.co.uk/ * Leyland Historical Society: http://www.houghton59.fsnet.co.uk/Home%20Page.htm * Liverpool Cemeteries: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpoolcem/ * Liverpool Family history: http://www.liverpool.gov.uk/leisure_and_culture/local_history_and_heritage/family_history/index.asp * Manchester Central Library (MCL): www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/central/ * Manchester Archives & Local Studies - Family History: www.manchester.gov.uk/libraries/arls/famhist.htm * Manchester Chartists: http://www.chartists.net/Manchester-Chartists * Manchester 2002: http://www.manchester2002-uk.com/ * My ancestors were from Lancashire: http://www.aucklandcitylibraries.com/general.aspx?id=469 * North East England History Pages: http://www.thenortheast.fsnet.co.uk/Manchester.htm * Old Liverpool Newspapers Online: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~liverpool/main.html * Oldham Local Studies & Archives: http://www.oldham.gov.uk/community/local_studies_and_archives.htm * Our Manchester: http://manchesterhistory.net/ * Rochdale's Local Studies Libraries: http://www.rochdale.gov.uk/Living/Libraries.asp?URL=local * Salford Roots: www.salfordroots.com * Salford Hundred: http://www.mancuniensis.info/index.htm * Salford Local History: http://www.geocities.com/derekantrobus/SLHNews.html * Spartacus Educational: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/ITmanchester.htm * Spinning the Web - The Story of the Cotton Industry: http://www.spinningtheweb.org.uk/ * Tameside Local Studies and Archives Centre: http://www.tameside.gov.uk/leisure/new/lh23.htm * Warrington Family History: http://www.warrington.gov.uk/entertainment/libraries/family_history/ * Welcome to Bolton!: http://www.bolton.org.uk/index.html * Wigan Archive Service: http://www.wlct.org/Culture/Heritage/archives.htm Sites for general England family history research: * RootsWeb's home page www.rootsweb.com contains additional information and a wealth of tips. * To find other mailing lists: http://www.rootsweb.com/~jfuller/gen_mail.html and http://www.genuki.org.uk?indexes/Mailinglists.html * GENUKI, genealogical information for England, Ireland, Scotland, Wales, the Channel Islands, and the Isle of Man at http://www.genuki.org.uk/ * FamilySearch.org for the 1881 census, IGI, and much more: http://www.familysearch.org * The National Archives: http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/default.htm * Government records and other sources: http://www.familyrecords.gov.uk/ * A2A database (archives held throughout England): http://www.a2a.org.uk/ * 1901 census: http://www.1901census.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ * Available British census indexes, transcripts, and images: http://www.mit.edu/%7Edfm/genealogy/census-chart.html * Links to on-line transcriptions of UK births, marriages and deaths by county: http://www.ukbmd.org.uk/ * FreeBMD -- transcriptions of the Civil Registration index of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/ * BMD exchange site (find and exchange unwanted certificates): http://bmd-cert-exch-site.ourwardfamily.com/ * Passenger lists, shipping schedules, ship descriptions, wreck data, and other shipping and immigration information: http://TheShipsList.com/ * UK geography, boundaries, etc.: http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/beginners_guide.asp * Old maps: http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ * Modern maps: http://uk8.multimap.com/map/places.cgi, http://www.streetmap.co.uk/, http://www.ordsvy.gov.uk/getamap/getamap_index.htm * Trade and post office directories: The Digital Library of Historical Directories at http://www.historicaldirectories.org * Cyndi's List, categorized and cross-referenced index to genealogical resources on the Internet: http://www.cyndislist.com/ * To find a Family History Centre near you: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHC/frameset_fhc.asp?PAGE=library_fhc_find.asp * Parish locator - PARLOC - freeware can downloaded from: http://www.parloc.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/ParLoc.htm * GENUKI Church Database: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/churchdb/search.html * Search IGI batch numbers: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm * FreeCEN : UK Census Online Project: http://freecen.rootsweb.com/ * Society of Genealogists: http://www.sog.org.uk/ * Guild of One Name Studies: www.one-name.org * British Counties, Parishes, etc. for Genealogists: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/counties.htm * E-mail etiquette tips: http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/netiquette_101.html, http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/online/netiquette.mspx, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sig_blocks, http://www.learnthenet.com/english/index.html, or just search Google.com for "netiquette" ~ ~ ~ ~ SUBSCRIPTION HELP: ~ NOT RECEIVING all the LIST MESSAGES? Perhaps your address was bounced off the list (an automatic process generated by RootsWeb computers when several attempts to deliver to your address have been unsuccessful). You can check to see if you're still subscribed to the list by clicking on "Passwords" at the top of any RootsWeb list. This will take you to http://passwordcentral.rootsweb.com/ where you can enter your e-mail address and receive a message containing the names of all the lists to which you belong. If you don't see a particular list, then you know you'll have to resubscribe. If you are a subscriber to a "problem" ISP, check RootsWeb's Help Pages to see if that ISP is blocking RootsWeb's messages or if there is another problem being reported (http://helpdesk.rootsweb.com/). ~ If you NEED ASSISTANCE, you can reach the administrator of any RootsWeb list by addressing your mail to LISTNAME-admin@rootsweb.com (substituting the name of the list for LISTNAME). It's also a good idea to keep a record of each list administrator's personal e-mail address just in case you need to reach the administrator when RootsWeb's servers are down. Keep in mind that lists are administered by unpaid volunteers who are not on line 24/7, so please don't expect an immediate response. CONTACT ME at ENG-MANCHESTER-admin@rootsweb.com or manchester.admin@gmail.com if you are unable to resolve subscription problems or have questions or comments about the guidelines. - - - - - - - - -