Dear Conrad: I know you asked for the 1861 census but I wondered if you would like any info on the family beyond that date in the 1881, 1891 and 1901 censuses. Here's what I found: 1881Census: Ref: RG11/3866, folio 14, page 24 Address: 14 Greenhalgh Row, Bury, Lancashire H.S. ENGLISH, head, married, age 22, b. Hull, York, England, Iron Turner Martha ENGLISH, wife, married, age 20, b. Bury, Lancashire, Cotton Rover Eliza ENGLISH, mother, married, age 56, b. Huddersfield, York, Char Woman J.H. RAMSDEN, boarder, unmarried, age 24, b. Bury, Lancashire, Labourer Foundry (Iron) ************************** 1891 Census: Ref: RG 12/3139, folio 121, page 1 Address: 2 Lodge Street, Bury, Lancashire Henry Samuel ENGLISH, head, age 32, b. Hull, Yorkshire, iron turner Martha E. ENGLISH, wife, age 30, b. Bury, Lancashire Harry ENGLISH, son, age 3 years, b. Bury, Lancashire Nelly ENGLISH, daughter, age 3 months, b. Bury, Lancashire Eliza ENGLISH, mother, widow, age 67, b. Kent, England, living on her own means *************************** 1901 Census: Martha ENGLISH, age 10, b. Bury, Lancashire, confectioner sweet Harry ENGLISH, age 13, b. Bury, Lancashire, woollen piercer Nelly ENGLISH, age 10, b. Bury, Lancashire Regards, Barbara, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Conrad Plowman" <conrad.plowman(a)ntlworld.com&gt; To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com&gt; Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2003 4:57 AM Subject: [ERY] ENGLISH some