Hello Barbara and List,
I definitely think that there is every possibility that these are the same
couple and their children...the coincidence of the children being born in
sequence suggest this although this would have to be proved... It was not
uncommon for the name of the wife in particular to vary in spelling. My
three times Great Grandmother was recorded as Eleanor, Ellen, etc on the
children's birth records.- Her husband was variously recorded as Dixon and
Dickson even on the same record- although without doubt the che children
were hers.. there was a couple of more variations of her name on later
censuses as well , also, it was evident that this was the same person...her
grown daughters were still at home...one has to remember that the Parish
priests or anyone who was recording the information, spelt names
phonetically, and it was written according to how the name was heard by the
recorder... I would suggest collecting the censuses from 1841 onward to see
if they tally with the findings... the younger children could still be
around. Also there are censuses for 1831 but these are not very helpful in
that they recorded a lot less information... very basic in fact. Of course
there could be two sets of children and parents but I think it unlikely...
in fact though, sometimes cousins had the same names and in some cases
married women with similar names... take nothing for granted and try and
find the actual Parish Records... good luck, Josephine M. Laxton, Ontario
Canada... I am researching my father's family from East- old North Yorks-
and my mother's famiily from West Yorks... I was actually born in the Old
North Riding and raised there...
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barbara Heard" <2bjheard(a)volcano.net
Sent: Saturday, November 15, 2008
Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] Waltham, Coates, Hornsey in North
I finally took the trip 'across the pond' and I found all sorts of
genealogical information in the parish register for North Newbald,
I've known for years that my 3rd great grandfather Jonathan Waltham
born in England circa 1823, but I had 3 different possible locations.
also knew his parents were Jonathan Waltham and Sarah Coates Waltham. I
recently at the LDS genealogy library in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA
days of research when I decided to finally investigate his ancestry.
Boy did I strike it rich! I found the Bishop's transcripts for North
Newbald from 1601 - 1864, and my Jonathan Waltham, most of his siblings,
parents, and others who married Walthams and Coates are in the
Now that I have completed the analysis of all the data I collected
that register, I have come across a dilemma that I'd like to get
opinions about. Here is the story:
I found a family unit made up of John and ELEANOR Coates. They had
children in 1810, 1812, 1822, and 1827. I thought it was odd that there
a 10 year break between 1812 and 1822 when no children were born to
Then I found another family unit made up of John and ELLEN Coates.
had children in 1814, 1816, and 1819.
I didn't find marriage records for either of these couples in this
parish. I realize the couple(s) may have married in a nearby town, so on
next trip to Salt Lake City I will expand my search to nearby
In the meantime, my question is, do you think the two couples might be
one in the same and the wife's name was recorded differently for the 1814,
1816, and 1819 births?
Thank You in advance for your thoughts and opinions.
BJ Heard, Amador County, California, USA
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