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Happy new year to you all I hope your efforts in
this year break a few brick walls
Just a quote from WSC
All dogs look up to you
All Cats look down on you
Only a pig looks at you as an equal
So if you find you are related to an Earl
His shield may show a Boar's Head
Then mine may show a cat instead :-)
I would appreciate some help and advice on how I may find the name of the mother of some children.
1) For two births, in 1759 and 1760, I have only the father's name. Were mothers' names recorded in the PRs and, if so, could it have been in these cases?
The baptisms at Hull Holy Trinity are:
12 NOV 1759 ROBERT WEBSTER Father: Robert Webster;
10 OCT 1760 ANN WEBSTER Father: Robert Webster.
2) Are mothers names recorded in the PRs for burials? Some big "if"s. If this father is the Robert Webster that I am interested in, he remarried and went on to have 2 more sons named Robert and another daughter named Ann. If so, these above children must have died. If they died, could the mother's name be found in the PR burials?
Robert Webster had to have died between 1759 and 1766.
Ann Webster had to have died between 1760 and 1765.
3) Burial of Robert Webster's possible first wife. I presume burials were recorded by married name (Webster) but possibly also by maiden name. Webster married his (second) wife Ann Madison in 1763, so a former wife would have died prior to 1763 and after the following marriage dates. Here I have to presume the possible burial service took place at Hull HT, where Webster was curate from 1754, but it could have been at another parish. The candidates presently known are:
MARY MOORE who married a Robert Webster at Hull Holy Trinity on 25 OCT 1751;
HANNAH KITE who married a Robert Webster at Hull Holy Trinity on 21 SEP 1755;
SARAH PLAXTON of Beverley who married a Robert Webster at Kirk Ella on 7 MAR 1753.
All of us know the experience of looking for needles in haystacks, which fittingly describes the above. Any help on what information is in the PRs would be greatly appreciated. I am in Australia and unfortunately cannot personally research the PRs (unless they are available online somewhere unknown to me).
Happy New Year to all.
Happy New Year to you all.
A few additional information to your list. see below.
> A Happy New Year for all!
> You raise a lot of issues and I am obliged to make some presumptions so
> let's hope I get it right.
> The contents of Parish Registers do vary for a range of reasons:-
> For a baptism, the usual minimum is the name of the child and the father
> (or mother if the child is illegitimate).
Or the widow if the childs father died before it was born.
> Welcome extras can include details of both father and mother, occupation
> of the father, and residential details and the actual date of birth.
> For some parishes, during a certain period, details of all grandparents
> were included for baptisms in some parishes.
Certain periods. These were described as Wade baptisms. Some churches
followed this and gave the added information. When William Markham (no
connection to me) became Archbishop of York he decreed that all churches
foollowed the Wade system. Unfortunately he died before this decree came
fully into effect.
> For Burials:
> Usual minimum for adult males was just the name but can often include
> occupation and last place of residence.
> For adult females. it is usual to find a reference to the husband (wife
> of, relict of,)
> For children - father is usually identified but mother may be identified
> if the father is also dead. with luck, both parents will be mentioned
> and there may be occupational and residential details.
> Names of both the parties, often 'belonging' parish details, possibly
> occupations and locations. Occasionally parent details will be given.
> Please note that there are also Bishop's Transcripts which are a form of
> annual report as to what has been going on in the Parish. These were
> submitted to the local Bishop usually on an annual basis.
> Both Parish Registers and Bishops Transcripts, especially the latter,
> can contain details ranging far beyond baptisms, burials and marriages
> e.g tithing information, land holdings, appointments (your curate might
> well rate a mention in the Transcripts)
> Transcriptions of baptisms, burials, and marriages for the IGI may be
> done from either Parish Registers or from Bishop's Transcripts but
> rarely both. Incidentally, the two baptisms you have identified have
> both been transcribed from a Bishop's Transcript. Sadly, all
> transcriptions omit details as occupations, residential information etc,
> grandparents for baptisms, and parents of couples being married.
> BUT, for baptisms, if the names of both parents are in the original
> record then both are very likely to be incorporated in the IGI record.
> Thus, you are unlikely to find the mother's name from the Bishop's
> Transcripts. I would also suspect that you are unlikely to find such
> information in the Parish Register either.
> The burial of the wife/mother is likely to be your best bet. You are
> likely to find an entry such as "------ Webster, wife of Robert Webster,
> curate". Hopefully, that entry would be for Hull Holy Trinity. I would
> not be that optimistic about the burials of the children providing the
> mother's name but you could get lucky.
> I notice that you are looking at marriages of Robert Websters in the
> Hull area. Unless you are certain that he was married locally, this may
> not be a valid approach. Church officials generally ranged far further
> than the general population at that time and rarely serviced their areas
> of origin although I do note that Webster was then a very common name in
> Finally, you can actually obtain and view films of Parish Registers,
> Bishops Transcripts and other family history documents of interest at
> the various Family History Centres throughout Australia. To find where
> they are located near you and the films you can obtain, check out this
> Hopefully, there is one near you and they are usually very helpful.
> Others may well be able to provide other avenues of enquiry for you.
> e.g. Memorial Inscriptions, church appointment lists etc. Good Hunting!
> Paul Kirby
> The Websters wrote:
>> I would appreciate some help and advice on how I may find the name of
>> the mother of some children.
>> 1) For two births, in 1759 and 1760, I have only the father's name.
>> Were mothers' names recorded in the PRs and, if so, could it have been
>> in these cases?
>> The baptisms at Hull Holy Trinity are:
>> 12 NOV 1759 ROBERT WEBSTER Father: Robert Webster;
>> 10 OCT 1760 ANN WEBSTER Father: Robert Webster.
>> 2) Are mothers names recorded in the PRs for burials? Some big
>> "if"s. If this father is the Robert Webster that I am interested in, he
>> remarried and went on to have 2 more sons named Robert and another
>> daughter named Ann. If so, these above children must have died. If
>> they died, could the mother's name be found in the PR burials?
>> Robert Webster had to have died between 1759 and 1766.
>> Ann Webster had to have died between 1760 and 1765.
>> 3) Burial of Robert Webster's possible first wife. I presume burials
>> were recorded by married name (Webster) but possibly also by maiden
>> name. Webster married his (second) wife Ann Madison in 1763, so a
>> former wife would have died prior to 1763 and after the following
>> marriage dates. Here I have to presume the possible burial service took
>> place at Hull HT, where Webster was curate from 1754, but it could have
>> been at another parish. The candidates presently known are:
>> MARY MOORE who married a Robert Webster at Hull Holy Trinity on 25 OCT
>> HANNAH KITE who married a Robert Webster at Hull Holy Trinity on 21 SEP
>> SARAH PLAXTON of Beverley who married a Robert Webster at Kirk Ella on 7
>> MAR 1753.
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I came across your posting to the East Yorkshire rootsweb mailing list in
the archives whilst searching fro something else.
By coincidence I also recently came across a reference to this family in the
autobigraphy of a man called Thomas Blossom, who was a missionary to the
South Pacific and born in East Yorkshire. Hannah was his sister, and so nee
Blossom. This autobiography has been transcribed and published. There is a
copy advertised on Ebay.
It has quite a lot of genealogical information in it as well as Blossom's
exploits in Tahiti.
From: "John and Dawn Foreman" <hazydawn(a)caboolture.net.au>
Subject: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] Thomas Family of North Cave
Date: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 13:44:18 +1000
I am new to this list, and am wondering if there is anyone else researching
I have a George Thomas b. c1791, married to Hannah b. c1792, and sons
Stephen b. c1838, Richard b. c1840, and John b. c1841. I have located them
in both the 1841 and 1851 Census and it shows them as all being born in
North Cave, Yorkshire. George, the father, is listed as being a Brickmaker.
I have no idea as to Hannah's maiden name. Going on the ages of the
children, I am wondering if this is a second marriage for George. Hannah
appears to have died sometime after 1851, as she does not appear with the
family in the 1861 census. George has another wife by this time - Elizabeth
who is 55 at the time of the Census and born in York. George is listed as
now being a house Agent.
If anyone is researching this family, or can help me to find Hannah's
surname, I would love to hear from you.
Dawn - Australia
It's Hotmail's 10th Birthday! Come and play Pass the Parcel
The transcribed "ships passage" has two origin locations that I need help
locating. Both are most likely in Lincs' or Yorks". (ship was EMMA landing
in NYC in 1834).
Hope SKS will help,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, December 14, 2006 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] JACKSON and MOOR or MOORE
> Dear one and all,
> I would like to hear from anyone who may be researching or have ancestors
> with the name JACKSON from Aldbrough, East Yorks. There are several
> families from that parish some of which are probably unrelated. I'm
> for relations of the children of:
> Charles JACKSON b.c.1746 -1750 (possibly Bossall, NRY) and his wife,
> LUND b.1754 Foston by Malton. (Help with his ancestry would also be
> Rachel JACKSON bap. 1778 Bossall, NRY (m) Edward MOOR, (later MOORE), of
> Great Hatfield, ERY at Mappleton, ERY
> William JACKSON bap. 1780 Bossall, NRY didn't marry. Farmed at East
> Newton, Aldbrough, ERY
> Charles JACKSON bap. 1782 Aldbrough (m) Hannah. Farmed in Kilham, ERY
> John JACKSON bap. 1783 Aldbrough (m) Elizabeth, born Pierce Bridge,
> Gainford, DUR. Farmed Mappleton; Molescroft, Beverley; Garton-on-the
> Braffords, Swanland - all ERY
> Mary JACKSON bap. 1786 Aldbrough, ERY (m) William COLLINSON Farmer of
> -- (I know there are COLLINSONs out there!)
> Thomas JACKSON bap 1792 Aldbrough (m) Ellen STILLINGFLEET Farmer of
> Mappleton and Cowden, ERY
> Generations of the MOORs or MOOREs farmed/lived at Gt. Hatfield,
> Cowden and Hull that I know of so far.
> Is there anyone out there?
> Peter FEWSON
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I believe this is a new peom, writtten by Austrailian defence personnel working in a peacekeeping role overseas.
(Apologies for unintended cross-postings. Please forward it on).
(Deb on behalf of) Ray in Melbourne, Australia
A CHRISTMAS TALE
T'was the night before Christmas, he lived all alone
in a one bedroom house made of plaster and stone,
I had come down the chimney, with presents to give,
And to see just who in this home did live.
I looked all about, a strange sight did see:
no tinsel, no presents, not even a tree,
No stocking by mantle, just boots filled with sand.
On the wall hung pictures of far distant lands.
With medals and badges, awards of all kinds
A sober thought came through my mind -
For this house was different, it was dark and dreary
I found the home of a soldier, once I could see clearly.
The soldier lay sleeping, silent, alone,
Curled up on the floor in this one bedroom home.
The face was so gentle, the room in such disorder:
Not how I pictured an Austrtalian soldier.
Was this the hero of whom I'd just read -
Curled up on a poncho, the floor for a bed?
I realised that families that I saw this night
Owed their lives to these soldiers who were willing to fight.
Soon round the world, the children would play,
And grown-ups would celebrate a bright Christmas Day
They all enjoyed freedom, each month of the year
Because of the soldiers, like the one lying here.
I couldn't help wonder, how many lay alone
On a cold Christmas Eve, in a land far from home?
The very thought brought a tear to my eye.
I dropped to my knees and started to cry.
The soldier awakened, and I heard a rough voice:
"Santa, don't cry, this life is my choice
I fought for freedom. I don't ask for more.
My life is my God, my country, my corps."
The soldier rolled over, and drifted to sleep.
I couldn't control it, I continued to weep.
I kept watch for hours, so silent and still,
And we both shivered from the cold night's chill.
I didn't want to leave on that cold, dark night
This guardian of honour so willing to fight.
Then the soldier rolled over, with a voice soft and pure,
Whispered "Carry on, Santa, It's Christmas Day, all is secure."
One look at my watch, and I knew he was right.
"Merry Christmas, my friend, and to all a Good Night".
This poem was written by an Australian Peacekeeping soldier stationed overseas.
The following is his request. I think it is reasonable.
Would you do me the kind favour of sending this to as many people as you can?
Christmas will be coming soon and some credit is due to our all of the Service men and women for our being able to celebrate these festivities.
Let's try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of what we owe.
Make people stop and think of our heroes, living and dead, who sacrificed themselves for us.
Please, do your small part to plant this small seed.
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"wonder if the problem could be fixed by unsubscribing and subscribing
again; it may possibly be that those who joined the list after the new
software are not having any problems. Since I am not sure of the migration
date of this list, I am not sure if I subscribed before or after that.
Probably worth a try."
I don't want to dash anyone's hopes, but in my case, it is a couple of years
or more since I joined the list.
I have just realised that the address of _bocor(a)bigbutton.com.au_
(mailto:email@example.com) was the sender of that delightful if sad poem about the
Australian Soldier which I received under "[ENG-East-Yorks] A Christmas
Tale". Why should I then receive only my "Original Message" under the above
heading from the same sender? Who is pushing the wrong buttons?
Wel! Well! Well!
A new twist to the "mystery" I have just opened an e-mail sent by
_bocor(a)bigbutton.com.au_ (mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org) forwarded by this list in
reply to my query. The message contained nixt from my correspondent whatsoever!
All I found on opening it was my original message. I don't want
explanations thank you, but would very much like to receive the message sent to me.
That was a Joke! Although I have still been receiving a copy of all my mail
to the list!
However, something seems to have worked, I have about 16 e-mails on the same
subect - but with different headings - clogging my mailbox this morning.
In article <4581CE3B.000009.02732@ACER-418F58E23C>, "mstephen(a)bmt.net"
>I do not get any of my own postings back; neither original posts nor replies
>Date: 12/14/06 12:40:38
>Subject: Re: [ENG-EAST-YORKS] delivery of messages - new header
>In article <45818EA2.000007.02732@ACER-418F58E23C>, "mstephen(a)bmt.net"
>>This header [testing] is merely where this discussion has taken place.
>>Perhaps the administrator has been able to set up the list so we get them
>>again. I'll see - if I get a copy back of this - with a new subject.
>I got my own posting back.
>All the list is set to get their mail in fact it says not to alter it to
>block own mail
Check your email settings you may be able to send but not receive roots
mail to that address
In article <45818EA2.000007.02732@ACER-418F58E23C>, "mstephen(a)bmt.net"
>This header [testing] is merely where this discussion has taken place.
>Perhaps the administrator has been able to set up the list so we get them
>again. I'll see - if I get a copy back of this - with a new subject.
I got my own posting back.
All the list is set to get their mail in fact it says not to alter it to
block own mail
As far as I can tell I have the list set correctly there is no setting
to change for own replies but this message should also come to me if not
I will ask for further instructions from Roots
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