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As it is a while since I posted the names of my ggrandparents and gggrandparents. I thought that I would ask if anyone on the list has a connection.
Priscilla LENG, age 19yrs. daughter of John Leng and Jane (Bell?)
William BROWN, age 21yrs. son of Thomas Brown and ?
July 16th. 1854 in the parish Church of Norton, Malton.
On the 1851census John Leng is now with Elizabeth Leng with children William age 10.Elizabeth age 7yrs. and Mary 1yr.old
Also included is Robert age 20yrs.and Priscilla, her age is shown as 13 yrs.yet 3 years later she is 19yrs. old ??? presumably the children of John and Jane Leng.
Would love to hear from anyone with any information or a connection as the above is all that I know of John-Jane and Elizabeth LENG also Thomas and son William BROWN.
Regards, Audrey, Ontario, Canada.
If you go to www.hullcc.gov.uk you can find the City Archieves information
also the Local History Library. There is also a very good member of the
library staff Gareth Watkins who is their resident Genealogist.
The Guildhall in Hull (the seat of the City Council) has various portraits
of former Aldermen etc up in various rooms around it. You may find there is
one of him there.
Hope this will help you.
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My thanks to Hazel, Harry, Richard and others for your guidance on the mis-spelled "Elaton". Thanks to your suggestions, I have now found my Gt.Gt.Grandmother in the 1851 census - born in ELLERTON !! I guess someone just did not know the correct spelling, and wrote it as it sounded.
I am looking for information on a John BANKS, an Alderman of Hull in the mid
1700's. John Banks was the husband of Lydia ATKINSON and they married at
Knottingley 21st Mary 1750, and they had one daughter that I am aware of - Ann
BANKS born 17 July 1758. Lydia died in 1792 and is buried at Knottingley as is
her daughter who died 25 December 1781. There is a memorial tablet in the
church at Knottingly to both ladies, but nothing for John. From records on the
IGI this John BANKS may have been born ca 1724 and christened at Holy Trinity
Kingston upon Hull 19 December 1724, the son of John BANKS.
Would anyone know whether there is a list of Aldermen of Hull kept anywhere
or indeed know anything of this John BANKS please?
I'm an arthritic, one fingured typist, so here ids an abbreviated 1891
John Harwood TATE aged 57 b. Rimswell, M. and his son, George, aged 29, also
M. born Tunstall, ERY living at 25 1/2 (25 and a half) Durham St., Sutton on
Hull (Southcoates) where they were Dock Labs. They had a widow, Maria DAY,
Servant and Alf. JONES a boarder.
The parishes of Welton and Melton are to the east of Hessle and Kirk Ella
which are to the east of Hull.
I do have note of a small family of TATEs in Welwick between 1700 & 1800 if
you ever get back to that date in or near Welwick, ERY
The ELGEY family you quoted are one of mine!
These look like the people you are looking for in
HO107/Piece 2361/Folio 0327r Sculcoates East
CarolineMinshall 4 born Hull
Hannah Minshall 8 born Hull
John Minshall 13 born Manchester LAN
MargaretMinshall 11 born Hull
Mary Minshall 43 born Manchester LAN
Robert Minshall 50 born FLN North Wales
William Minshall 47 born FLN North Wales
They seem to be all on one page and so may be all in
one household. It's impossible to tel from the index.
There don't seem to be any others.
Hope this helps
--- Sean Minshull <seanminshull(a)yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> Dear List
> Could SKS please look up the 1851 Census returns
> William MINSHULL b, circa 1801, possable Holywell
> Mary MINSHULL b, circa 1811
> Mary Ann MINSHULL b. 1840 Jennings Street Sutton,
> family residence 1840 Jennings Street Sutton, note
> could not find them in the 1841 Census?
> Robert MINSHULL b, circa 1801, possable Denbigh
> Martha MINSHULL b, circa 1811
> family residence 1841 Nilson? Street, Sutton
> found in 1841 Census REF.HO 107/122254
> Also interested in any other MINSHULL'S in the Hull
> area especially with connections with Ashton under
> Lyme, Manchester, Oldham or North Wales.
> Sean Minshull
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Could SKS please look up the 1851 Census returns for:
William MINSHULL b, circa 1801, possable Holywell
Mary MINSHULL b, circa 1811
Mary Ann MINSHULL b. 1840 Jennings Street Sutton,
family residence 1840 Jennings Street Sutton, note
could not find them in the 1841 Census?
Robert MINSHULL b, circa 1801, possable Denbigh
Martha MINSHULL b, circa 1811
family residence 1841 Nilson? Street, Sutton
found in 1841 Census REF.HO 107/122254
Also interested in any other MINSHULL'S in the Hull
area especially with connections with Ashton under
Lyme, Manchester, Oldham or North Wales.
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I am trying to find information about a John Herbert TATE who was born
in Garton, Yorkshire around 1865. I can find no listing on BMD online,
which may mean that the section hasn't been transcribed yet.
He is the son of a Harwood TATE, who was a farmer, according to his
marriage certificate. The only Harwood I can find is listed on the 1881
census is below but I would have thought the family would be near, by
but I can find no entry for them on the 1881 census in UK.
Can SKS help me with where is Welton & Melton? and if they have a
reference for TATE on the 1871 census I would be grateful.
Gillian Fynes (Lincolnshire)
Dwelling: Melton Farm House
Census Place: Welton & Melton, York, England
Source: FHL Film 1342147 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4749
Folio 19 Page 31
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Charles A. ELGEY M 23 M Driffield, York,
Occ: Farmer 314 Ac Employing 2 Labourers
Alice E. ELGEY M wife 25 F Cottam, York, England
Harry ELGEY U Brother 22 M Driffield, York,
Maria DUGGLEBY Mother in law W 64 F Seamer,
Florence A. ELGEY daur 1 F Cowden, York,
Isabella DUGGLEBY Sister in law U 26 F
Cottam, York, England
Harwood TATE M 48 M Rimswell, York, England
My great-grandfather, Edwin Matthew, was born in the village of Harton in
1848. He married Susannah Elizabeth Brown in the church at
Whitwell-on-the-Hill in March 1877. She bore him three children. He died in
1885 (don't know where).
I'm trying to push back a generation and pinpoint Edwin's parents. I've come
across a William Matthew who was living in Harton at the time of the 1871
census. He married Ann Daniel at Kirby Underdale church on 23 Oct 1834. Does
anyone have any info that might help me determine whether or not William was
Thanks. This really is a remarkable network!
DAVID MATTHEW (64) Castleford, W.Yorkshire (but born, you'll be pleased to
know, in Norton, E.Yorks)
Can someone please look at the folllowing on the 1891
The 1892 Directory lists the following
Brown Fras., lodgings, 14 West street
I have already managed to find out about the other
Francis aka Frank, but which was is this? There
appear to be 3 around. Is this one married and what is
his age and place of birth?
Brown John Pattison, fruiterer, 14 Hilderthorpe Place
This one actually died in Wadsley Asylum in Sheffield
in 1898. He was my g/grandfather's cousin Why he was
there remains a mystery as yet but family legend says
he was an alcoholic
Is anybody else living there?
hanking you in anticipation
I asked in May 2004 if anybody knew of an Elizabeth Appleton, who
was born in Pocklington about 1844. She was my great-grandmother and
married Charles Foster of Harrogate.
I have found a possible birth for Elizabeth Appleton
1843 December Q, Pocklington, XXIII, 79
[FreeBMD index this as E*; it is faint but clear on the LDS film]
It is likely she was the daughter of Robert Appleton of Goodmanham.
There is some possibility that he married twice
1) Elizabeth Appleton Stephenson, 1843 Quarter 3. (died 1853 Q2)
2) Esther Wilde, 1854 Q4, Howden
[Esther gave Holme on Spalding Moor or Tollingham as her birthplace
However I am still unable to find the marriage between Charles Foster
and Elizabeth Appleton.
Before I buy certificates, I would like to confirm she was the girl
On the 1871 census, a cousin Esther Appleton, age 25, born Pocklington,
was visiting. I think this is the Esther, born 1845, Q4.
So I wonder if anyone with the 1851 or 1861 censuses for Pocklington
can find Esther, age 5 or 15 respectively so I can find her parents
and possibly confirm Elizabeth's origins that way.
Harry Dodsworth Ottawa Ontario Canada af877(a)freenet.carleton.ca
14, Hilderthorpe Place, Brid
John Brown, Head m 34 Gardener b Brid Quay
Jane wife 32 b Bridlington
Arthur son 12 scholar b Brid Quay
George W? ????gh?? nephew 4 b Bridlington
Hope this helps, but the nephew's name is difficult to read and his age, but
think it's 4.
Just a last minute note that Radio Humberside is holding a free family history advice session from 10 am to 4pm tomorrow Friday 28 Jan at their new studios at Queens Gardens in Hull.
This is as a follow up to the TV series "Who Do You Think You Are".
There on the day, to my knowledge, will be people from the Hull Register Office and Hull Archives, Gareth Watkins the Hull Libraries genealogist, the EYFHS and the Hornsea & District Heritage Archive ( take along your photos of those happy holidays at Hornsea to add to the Archive)
And he certainly wasn't a plumber. He could be one of
the other enumerable Francis Browns who cause me so
much trouble. Notice we have another monthly nurse,
quite a week for them too
--- Angela MacLellan <angelamaclellan438(a)hotmail.com>
> In case you find this is them the full entry is:-
> 1871 High Street, Market Weighton
> Francis BROWN Head M 30 Plumber b Beverley
> Mary BROWN wife M 29 Plumber's wife b Cliff
> Sarah Ann BROWN dau 1 mth b Weighton
> Mary BEAN Unm 49 Monthly Nurse b Weighton
> the age of Mary does not fit well!
> >From: Christine Roderick
> >Reply-To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >Subject: RE: [ERY] 1871 Bridlington Quay
> >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 23:16:07 +0000 (GMT)
> >Hi Angela,
> >Sounds like this could be the fly by night. His
> >name in Mary Jane born Stamford 5 years younger.
> >This family is driving me nuts. All of a sudden
> >between 1851 and 1861 names are changed around,
> >Francis disappears, comes back as Frank My
> >g/g/grandfather starts insisting he was born in
> >when its quite clear he wasn't, my g/grandfather
> >up in Sheffield, and just to make it worse,
> >calls their kids after each other, so there are
> >Franks Freds Williams Thomases Johns Mary Annes
> >Janes Sarahs, Sarah Anns etc etc than I know what
> >do with. it woildn't be so bas if there was another
> >name but BROWN I am going to sign myself 'confused
> >Rotherham' in future.
> > --- Angela MacLellan
> > > Hi Christine
> > >
> > > I cannot find a Francis Brown in Bridlington in
> > >
> > > There is a 30 yr old Francis Brown in Beverley
> > > his wife is Mary
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Angela
> > >
> > > >From: Christine Roderick
> > > <christineroderick(a)btinternet.com>
> > > >Reply-To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > >To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > > >Subject: [ERY] 1871 Bridlington Quay
> > > >Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:07:56 +0000 (GMT)
> > > >
> > > >Hi there
> > > >
> > > >CAn some dear sweet soul have a look on the
> > > >Bridligton Quay Census for Francis and Jane
> > > >I think this Francis may be my
> > > >eldest son. He is aged aged 10 on the 1851
> > > >born 23 Aug 1840 He's disappeared and I can't
> > > a
> > > >death that fits. A baptism is recorded for 1872
> > > with
> > > >the father's name as Francis and mother Jane
> > > >
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I cannot find a Francis Brown in Bridlington in 1871
There is a 30 yr old Francis Brown in Beverley but his wife is Mary
>From: Christine Roderick <christineroderick(a)btinternet.com>
>Subject: [ERY] 1871 Bridlington Quay
>Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2005 17:07:56 +0000 (GMT)
>CAn some dear sweet soul have a look on the 1871
>Bridligton Quay Census for Francis and Jane Brown
>I think this Francis may be my g/g/grandfather's
>eldest son. He is aged aged 10 on the 1851 Census
>born 23 Aug 1840 He's disappeared and I can't find a
>death that fits. A baptism is recorded for 1872 with
>the father's name as Francis and mother Jane
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Many thanks to Chris, Rachel and Sue for their definitions of a Monthly Nurse. I'm still not sure why my GGgrandfather was living with such a person (his wife and son were alive but living else-where at the time). He died in 1887, and on the 1891 census she was listed as a 'Monthly Nurse'. It appears that the enumerator has added 'sick' to her occupation, and also that of another Monthly Nurse in the same house, so may be they looked after sick adults as well as new mums and babes. She was a milliner in 1881, so must have tried a few occupations,