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I have just returned to this list after many months away. Please does
anyone have the 1851 for Howden? I would very much appreciate a lookup as I
have found two deaths there in 1857:
They could be my GGG-Grandparents if they are the right ages - they were
married in 1812 so would be at least in their 60s or 70s by 1851.
I have ancestors who briefly lived in Sculcoates, and I was hoping for some
help with finding them in 1861?
Joseph Henry ENGLISH age about 39 (varies), born Marylebone, Middlesex -
Eliza Ann ENGLISH, wife, age about 42 (varies), born Chatham, Kent/ or
Henry Samuel ENGLISH, son, age 2 born Hull(Sculcoates)
Since they moved around so much I am having great difficulties trying to
investigate them so any help would be very gratefully received,
Thanks and best wishes,
Sharon in Perth, Western Australia
I acquired a copy of the Will of John PRATT of Flamborough in case it helped
with my researches. Unfortunately it didn't!!!!!! But it might help someone
If anyone would like a transcript please let me know. The will is dated
1658 and the persons mentioned are:
Sons: Thomas and Robert
Witnesses: Thomas Harrison and John Lister
All Flamborough unless otherwise stated
COLLEY - Flamborough & BuryThorpe
JAMESON - Flamborough, Hipswell, Hudswell & Burton Agnes
JOHNSON - Flamborough & Bridlington
I am researching the following names in the North East -
JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding),
North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland)
THOMPSON : North Shields (Northumberland)
I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests.
There's no index to 1841. Have you looked them up in 1851? In the
index produced by the EYFHS, George (42), b. Beverley, Elizabeth (39),
b. Bishop Burton, and William (18), b. Beverley, were in the same
household at HO107/2359 fol.315. There were also two other POUGHER
> Does anyone know if there is an index to the 1841 census for Beverley? I am
> looking for the POUGHER family; in the 1861 census William and Mary POUGHER
> were living in Beverley at 71, Providence Garden, Well Lane, with their
> children and William's parents, George and Elizabeth. RG9/3569 Enumeration
> district 18, folio 071
> As William was born in about 1833, I am hoping to find him and his parents
> in 1841, i.e. George Pougher aged about 36 and Elizabeth aged about 28 and
> William aged about 8.
Does anyone know if there is an index to the 1841 census for Beverley? I am
looking for the POUGHER family; in the 1861 census William and Mary POUGHER
were living in Beverley at 71, Providence Garden, Well Lane, with their
children and William's parents, George and Elizabeth. RG9/3569 Enumeration
district 18, folio 071
As William was born in about 1833, I am hoping to find him and his parents
in 1841, i.e. George Pougher aged about 36 and Elizabeth aged about 28 and
William aged about 8.
I do hope that someone can help! I would be *so* very grateful.
Researching FORD and O'CONNELL/CONNELL, Beverley, Pickering and Driffield,
Yorks; PALLISTER, SCALING, WATSON in Norton by Malton and New Malton, Yorks;
POUGHER in Beverley and Hull
For anyone interested in Nunkeeling near Hornsea, next Sunday 17 August, provides a rare opportunity to visit the ancient parish church there for the annual open air service.
Each year in the summer a service is held at the church which is now a picturesque ruin. The site is near that of the Nunkeeling Priory which was itself was closed at the time of the reformation.
The service begins at 3pm weather permitting. If the weather is inclement the service will be held in nearby Bewholme church which became the parish church for the areas of Bewholme and Nunkeeling when the old church was closed.
> It's taken me a while to work through all the details of your ancestors and
> not coming up with too much for you. However, I'll list what I found with
> the hope that some of it will be of some assistance. Please forgive me if
> I've duplicated some info you may already have.
Many thanks for your hard work. Yes, you have revealed several extra details,
confirmed a few more, and prompted further searches.
> 1891 Census:
> 4th son, George PERKINS:
> 13 ?Bridge Street, Warrington, Lancs. Ref: RG12/3079, folio 43,
> page 39
> George PERKINS, age 15, b. Millom, CUL, drapers asst.
> (The head of the household was John J. WING, age 28, b. Gorstage, Cheshire
> and many of the occupants were drapers' assistants. The typed index listed
> them all as servants.)
His widowed mother and other siblings were just a couple of miles further south in
Grappenhall in Cheshire. I wondered where he had got to in 1891.
> 1901 Census, Admin County: Glamorgan, Civil Parish: Swansea
> 4th son, George PERKINS:
> George PERKINS, age 26, b. Millom. Occupation: Traveller Gas Apprentice
Heaven only knows why he went there, but brother William went to Bishop Auckland,
Albert to Fareham near Portsmouth and then Newcastle, and Alfred died as manager of the
Bank of West Africa in Monrovia, Liberia in 1915. Nothing surprises me with this family.
> I was able to confirm:
> Sarah Anne Thompson HESP, christened 15 April 1844, Bulmer, YKS.
> Her parents were: William HESP and Elizabeth Ann.
> Sarah appears to have two siblings:
> William John HESP, christened 29 Sep 1846, and
> Elizabeth Mary HESP, christened 25 Dec 1847.
> Ref: C105111
I had that. Elizabeth Ann Thompson was her mother.
> Also confirmed in the IGI:
> Marriage: William Spires PERKINS to Sarah Anne Thompson HESP on 24 Dec 1860.
> Ref: M105113. (Sarah's name has been spelled HEEP but I would say that
> HESP is correct as there are many of them in Yorkshire.)
Also confirmed from VRI.
> 1891 Census:
> Address: 10 Olive Buildings, Whitby (Civil Parish: Hawsker).
> Ref: RG12/3995, folio 146, page 12
> John CROSBY, head, age 47, boilermaker, b. Hull
> Sarah CROSBY, wife, age 31, b. Hull
> Harold CROSBY, son, age 9, b. Hull
> Arthur CROSBY, son, age 5, b. Hull
> Clara CROSBY, daughter, age 3, b. Hull
> Harry CROSBY, son, 9 months, b. Whitby
Just shows how we must be careful when we build anything solely on a census:-) I didn't
know they had been to Whitby. I'd say Harry probably was born there if it was only 9
months ago. Although FreeBMD does not (yet) confirm Whitby, it does show they were
there a year later as John Boyes Crosby was registered there in the June 1892 quarter.
Father John may not have realised his wife had not been born in Hull, but as a widow she
said she was born at Castle Howard in 1901 - a bit grander than Welburn in Bulmer parish
which may be the truth. But she also said all the children were born in Hull!
However........ Sarah's father was said to be a solicitor on her marriage certificate. My
grandfather related that he was a great-nephew of Sir Henry Hawkins QC, later Lord
Brampton, a High Court judge, famous for the Titchborn Case, and sometimes known as
the Hanging Judge. I can't find the remotest proof of that after 6 years of trying. Maybe,
just maybe, there could be a connection here. I just wonder if my great-grandfather was
acting as a cover for an illicit affair of some kind - he had no legitimate children.
Somebody was paying for the annuity Sarah was living off in 1881.
It's all very baffling, and I'll probably never know the answers.
> Regards, Barbara, New Zealand
And, finally, you've prompted me to look again at FreeBMD after 1900. It looks as though
Sarah Elizabeth Crosby married again in the June quarter of 1902. Now I'll have to find
out who was the groom. She must have had quite an interesting life.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Morgan" <ChrisMorgan(a)evnet.co.uk>
> To: <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2003 5:43 AM
> Subject: [ERY] PERKINS, COOPER, Hull and Cottingham - CROSBY, Hull
> > I am trying to trace more about 2 of my grandfather's siblings who settled
> in the Hull area
> > from about the 1870's, and hope someone might be able to help. I have no
> clues about one
> > after the 1901 census, nor about the other after the 1950's.
> > My maternal great-grandfather, William Spires PERKINS, was baptised at
> > Northants 1 Nov 1835. I know nothing of his life (as yet not found
> anywhere in 1841 or
> > 1851), what happened to his parents, or if he had any siblings. Quite by
> chance I found a
> > marriage in the VRI at Bulmer, North Yorks, 24 Dec 1860, then given as
> stonemason of
> > Welburn. He is shown at Welburn in the 1861 census, along with his wife,
> Sarah Anne
> > Thompson HESP - and a daughter Sarah Elizabeth Perkins, aged 8 months. Her
> > certificate 4 Sep 1860 gives no father's name - but she is called Sarah
> > Perkins HESP, so I think it is fairly clear who her father was! Her story
> is intriguing - see later.
> > I have not found young Sarah in 1871 - but William was happily married
> again as a
> > bachelor, 20 Jul 1864 at St Mary's, Edge Hill, Liverpool - and was by then
> 2 years
> > younger, having also lost the Spires part of his name!! His later life was
> well known to my
> > grandfather. He moved up in the world and was an architect by the time he
> died near
> > Warrington in 1885, leaving a family of 8 children by his second wife.
> > His 4th son, George PERKINS, b.Millom, Cumberland 1876, was to marry
> > Hannah (surname as yet unknown) and moved to Hull early in the 1900's,
> probably 1910-
> > 20. I found him in the Electoral Roll at 24, Hallgate, Cottingham from
> 1921-1952, and his
> > wife was still there until about 1956. George worked for the Gas Company,
> a fitter in
> > 1901, but a manager by the time he retired.
> > I think the eldest of his 3 daughters was Eileen May PERKINS, who could
> have been born
> > 30.5.1904 ( I have an old family postcard referring to Eileen's 21st
> birthday in 1925, but
> > can't be sure it was her). She is not thought to have married, and
> probably stayed with her
> > parents until their deaths according to the Electoral Roll. I don't know
> where she went after 1956.
> > Nora PERKINS may have been born about 1913. She was still at Hallgate in
> the 1936
> > Electoral Roll, but may have married a Norman COOPER towards the end of
> 1940. I have
> > no knowledge of any children
> > Muriel PERKINS is thought to have married, but I have no other information
> about her
> > likely date of birth, marriage, children if any, or a husbands name.
> > Returning to Sarah Elizabeth Perkins HESP, she dropped the HESP surname
> after her
> > mother's marriage. She next turns up in 1881 in Hull as a 20 year old
> annuitant (but
> > recorded as PEAKIN in the LDS transcription) with the Horey family at 28
> John Street,
> > Sculcoates. I wish I knew where she had been, who with, and who was
> supporting her for
> > those 20 years since 1861 in Welburn. I don't know what happened to her
> > When did she die? I can't find a death registration within the likely time
> period, nor a remarriage.
> > I am certain this is my Sarah Elizabeth for she marries John William
> CROSBY at
> > Sculcoates Registry Office, 24 Dec 1882, giving her address as 47 Wright
> Street - her
> > father William PERKINS, sculptor (possibly a bit of licence there, maybe
> he specialised in
> > architectural sculpture). John CROSBY was then a ship builder, of 20
> Parliament Street,
> > but may have been a policeman in 1881. Directories show John as a
> shopkeeper at
> > 21 Lower Union Street in 1897, but he may have died in 1898 (Jan Q
> according to
> > FreeBMD) as Sarah appears in directories thereafter, and is a newsagent at
> 30 Lower
> > Union Street in 1901.(I think John William CROSBY was probably the son of
> John Boyes
> > CROSBY, ship builders clerk, and Elizabeth FENWICK.)
> > At the time of the 1901 Census there were 7 children still at home, all
> born Hull;
> > Harold Percy CROSBY, 18, Cabinet maker's apprentice
> > Florence G CROSBY, 16
> > Arthur E CROSBY, 15, Errand boy port
> > Clara M L CROSBY, 13
> > Harry C CROSBY, 10
> > John B CROSBY, 8
> > George B CROSBY, 6
> > I do not know if Sarah was aware that she had 8 half bothers and sisters.
> I don't know if
> > they knew about her, either. Was it a coincidence the two were in Hull?
> Why were they
> > there? York, Malton or Scarborough might have been more logical places for
> her to go to.
> > George had already been around the North-West, and was in Swansea in 1901,
> but his
> > reason for being in Hull is even more obscure. was it to be near his
> widowed elder half-sister?
> > Any early help will be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I hope someone may
> find this
> > message when searching the archives many months from now - I know it can
> > Chris Morgan
The Hornsea Museum of North Holderness Village Life www.hornseamuseum.com (see in the news section) has joined the Commanet Community Archive Project www.commanet.org
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The project is entirely run by volunteers through the Museum and is not a commercial venture.
Because of copyright issues the archive can only take images that the sender has the copyright of, so copies of official documents such as those that "that cannot be reproduced without permission" are not able to be accepted.
Like everything in family history we have to build up a body of material so that everyone can benefit from it.
For anyone interested in how life was in North Holderness in the 18th & 19th centuries the Museum is a must place to visit.
Any material can be sent to me at drofeeb(a)supanet.com or taken in to the Museum or contact the organiser Linda Trigg by telephone on 01964 533374
I am trying to trace more about 2 of my grandfather's siblings who settled in the Hull area
from about the 1870's, and hope someone might be able to help. I have no clues about one
after the 1901 census, nor about the other after the 1950's.
My maternal great-grandfather, William Spires PERKINS, was baptised at Kettering,
Northants 1 Nov 1835. I know nothing of his life (as yet not found anywhere in 1841 or
1851), what happened to his parents, or if he had any siblings. Quite by chance I found a
marriage in the VRI at Bulmer, North Yorks, 24 Dec 1860, then given as stonemason of
Welburn. He is shown at Welburn in the 1861 census, along with his wife, Sarah Anne
Thompson HESP - and a daughter Sarah Elizabeth Perkins, aged 8 months. Her birth
certificate 4 Sep 1860 gives no father's name - but she is called Sarah Elizabeth
Perkins HESP, so I think it is fairly clear who her father was! Her story is intriguing - see later.
I have not found young Sarah in 1871 - but William was happily married again as a
bachelor, 20 Jul 1864 at St Mary's, Edge Hill, Liverpool - and was by then 2 years
younger, having also lost the Spires part of his name!! His later life was well known to my
grandfather. He moved up in the world and was an architect by the time he died near
Warrington in 1885, leaving a family of 8 children by his second wife.
His 4th son, George PERKINS, b.Millom, Cumberland 1876, was to marry Elizabeth
Hannah (surname as yet unknown) and moved to Hull early in the 1900's, probably 1910-
20. I found him in the Electoral Roll at 24, Hallgate, Cottingham from 1921-1952, and his
wife was still there until about 1956. George worked for the Gas Company, a fitter in
1901, but a manager by the time he retired.
I think the eldest of his 3 daughters was Eileen May PERKINS, who could have been born
30.5.1904 ( I have an old family postcard referring to Eileen's 21st birthday in 1925, but
can't be sure it was her). She is not thought to have married, and probably stayed with her
parents until their deaths according to the Electoral Roll. I don't know where she went after 1956.
Nora PERKINS may have been born about 1913. She was still at Hallgate in the 1936
Electoral Roll, but may have married a Norman COOPER towards the end of 1940. I have
no knowledge of any children
Muriel PERKINS is thought to have married, but I have no other information about her
likely date of birth, marriage, children if any, or a husbands name.
Returning to Sarah Elizabeth Perkins HESP, she dropped the HESP surname after her
mother's marriage. She next turns up in 1881 in Hull as a 20 year old annuitant (but
recorded as PEAKIN in the LDS transcription) with the Horey family at 28 John Street,
Sculcoates. I wish I knew where she had been, who with, and who was supporting her for
those 20 years since 1861 in Welburn. I don't know what happened to her mother.
When did she die? I can't find a death registration within the likely time period, nor a remarriage.
I am certain this is my Sarah Elizabeth for she marries John William CROSBY at
Sculcoates Registry Office, 24 Dec 1882, giving her address as 47 Wright Street - her
father William PERKINS, sculptor (possibly a bit of licence there, maybe he specialised in
architectural sculpture). John CROSBY was then a ship builder, of 20 Parliament Street,
but may have been a policeman in 1881. Directories show John as a shopkeeper at
21 Lower Union Street in 1897, but he may have died in 1898 (Jan Q according to
FreeBMD) as Sarah appears in directories thereafter, and is a newsagent at 30 Lower
Union Street in 1901.(I think John William CROSBY was probably the son of John Boyes
CROSBY, ship builders clerk, and Elizabeth FENWICK.)
At the time of the 1901 Census there were 7 children still at home, all born Hull;
Harold Percy CROSBY, 18, Cabinet maker's apprentice
Florence G CROSBY, 16
Arthur E CROSBY, 15, Errand boy port
Clara M L CROSBY, 13
Harry C CROSBY, 10
John B CROSBY, 8
George B CROSBY, 6
I do not know if Sarah was aware that she had 8 half bothers and sisters. I don't know if
they knew about her, either. Was it a coincidence the two were in Hull? Why were they
there? York, Malton or Scarborough might have been more logical places for her to go to.
George had already been around the North-West, and was in Swansea in 1901, but his
reason for being in Hull is even more obscure. was it to be near his widowed elder half-sister?
Any early help will be greatly appreciated. Otherwise, I hope someone may find this
message when searching the archives many months from now - I know it can happen.
I am re-joining the list after spending time researching in other areas. I thought I should repost my interests immediately.
The Waudby family are from South Cave and the Brogden and Beharrel's from Hull.
I would love to hear from anyone with connections.
I have added a new page covering a transcript of the 1891 census for the
East Riding County Lunatic Asylum at Beverley, listing approx 280 inmates
and approx 70 members of staff. Also on the same page is a transcript of the
1891 census for the Union Workhouse in Beverley, approx 110 residents and 4
The page can be viewed via the "Yorkshire Transcripts" button on my
Please also note that where the script was difficult to read, I have
indicated with a question mark, and also it appears that some of the place
names are spelt incorrectly, I have transcribed as written on the document.
DUFFIN - South Cave, Nafferton & Hull
HENNING - Hull
GARTON - Cranford
EADY - Burton Latimer, Grafton Underwood
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If anyone with access to the 1851 census for Riston in ERY,
could look up the full details for the household of William and Sarah
Ann Atkinson and her brother William Smith, I would be very grateful for
this information. I am also trying to find Sarah's and William's brother
George age 13 who was probably working on a farm in the locality at the
time of the 1851 census. I have tried to find him and failed!
Thanks in anticipation
Hi again Tom,
I think that this is probably your George SMITH. There are 4 George Smiths
aged 13 in East Yorks 1851, but this one was born in Riston. Let me know if it
not right and you want the others.
HO107 / 2366 0081v Brigham
George SMITH / 12 / b. Riston
I think that this might be your family:
HO107 / 2365 0127v Riston
William ATKINSON / 28 / b. Atwick
Sarah ATKINSON / 22/23 / b. Riston
Baker ATKINSON / 4 / b. Riston
Joseph ATKINSON / 1 / b. Riston
William SMITH / 10 / b. Riston
all on same page, would need to look at the census return to confirm all in
Hope this helps
Dawn (from Leeds)
BARRATTs Joseph married Joanna LEVENS 24 apr 1800 at South Cave, They had 9 children John b19 mar 1801,Joseph b 17 dec 1802, Anne b 8 nov 1804/d 2 apr 1805, Anne 30 mar 1806, Mary b 5 jun 1808, Sarah Levens 5 nov 1809, Robert Levens 20 feb 1814, James b 12 jun 1816, William b 8 jul 1819,.
The father Joseph was a butcher . He died on 6 feb 1833, His wife Joanna died 18 apr1830, both buried in South Cave
John the eldest had 3 children after marrying Ann ARTON at Holy Trinity in Hull in1821.John was also a butcher.
The 3 children were Robert Henry, Ann Leavens bapt.27 jun 1824,& John bapt19 oct 1829. All still lived in SCave
Robert Henry m Caroline Amelia KELSEY at holy trinity in Sculcoates, Hull. Caroline was the daughter of James KELSEY.
Robert and Caroline had 2 children, Harriott Eleanor b 29 jun 1842,& William Henry b 16 nov 1843, died 14 jan 1844.
Robert was convicted and transported to Tasmania Australia in1846. His wife Caroline came out to join him in 1849, but she did not bring their daughter Harriott with her . No death record was found for her , WHAT HAPPENED TO HER?
Robert, also a butcher,and Caroline started a new family in Hobart in Tasmania. Robert and Caroline were my Gt Gt grandparents.
I have most of their decendants and so on ,but what I would love to know is the history of what happened to Harriet , her uncle and aunt John and Ann Leavens and their relations.
Hopefully someone still living in the South Cave area has some interest or info that can be made available to me.
I know that there are 2 or 3 BARRATT families still living in South Cave and I Feel that they would have to be related
Living in anticipation
Port Sorell Tasmania ,Aust.
I am researching the following names -
BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs)
BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire)
BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs)
CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland
GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs)
GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs)
HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs)
JEFFS : Waverton (Cheshire)
JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding),
North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland)
JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops)
LOWE : Pulford (Cheshire)
MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire)
MOSTON : Lymm (Cheshire)
NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs)
PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire)
RICHARDSON : Prescot (Lancs), Lymm (Cheshire)
TABERN : St Helens (Lancs)
TAYLOR : Crewe area (Cheshire)
WILLIAMSON : Cheshire
WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs)
I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests.
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