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I wonder if I may ask for some help with my researches.
- I am presently putting together a "booklet" together for my relatives on the family tree which I hope to be sent out by Christmas. I am including basic family trees and background information of where their ancestors were baptised, married and died, also where they were living at various times in their lives etc., - nothing too in-depth as I have only been researching this side for about a year.
my husband's 2 great grandfather was a Robert Northard MARGRAVE who drown while out fishing on the 'Mary Esther' in the great storm of 1883 leaving his widow with 6 children, 3 of whom spent some time in the Sailor's Orphanage, Park Street, Hull.
What I wanted to ask the list is :- Is anybody else researching the following names, they are on the boats registration documents and a small insight into them would be most helpful. The information that I have at present is MacGregor KNOWLES and John Hampton KNOWLES had an equal number of shares in the boat 'Mary Esther' at the time of the registration, 18 October 1873 they were both residents of the Town and Borough of Kingston upon Hull and named as 'Shipowners'. The third person is George Hall, Managing owner residing at Market Place, Hull (October 1878) he is listed as 'Meat Salesman'.
I have checked the 1881 census and there is one George HALL listed in Market place occupation, Town Councillor and Butcher born at Welton, aged 39. There is a John H KNOWLES is at Edison House, Southcoates, occupation Hemp and Flax Spinner (age 27 born Nth Ferriby), and a MacGregor KNOWLES, Quay Road, Bridlington, occupation Hemp and Flax Merchant (age 25 born Hull). I think I have the right George HALL but I am unsure whether the 2 KNOWLES are too young to own a boat?
Any help would be appreciated - especially of you happen to be researching these people.
Thank you in advance
I have just received my copy of the 1834 East Riding Electoral Rolls and I
am amazed at the number of names and the information contained within it.
Colin Blanshard Withers deserves full credit for the work that has gone into
producing this booklet and at £5.95 + postage it must go down as a real
bargain for us tight Yorkshiremen.
I have no connection with Colin or his business.... just a satisfied
Colin's site: www.blanshard.demon.co.uk/ywp/
p.s. No lookup requests please. Go and buy your own!
While I was in the UK recently, I copied a number of pages from all census returns for the Eastrington area. I have listed below the surnames of those I have found on these pages - if anyone finds one of their names and would like further details, drop me a line off-list with the name and year. A couple of the pages are not very clear, so I might not be able to provide full information in all cases. Also, I didn't copy all pages - only two or three from each census (I was looking for my Bulliments and Graingers !).
Hope this is useful to someone
1841 Eastrington (2 pages - all born within county)- Bristow, Midgley, Burn, Nevill, Wood,
Bond, Birks, Goundrill, Seaton,Bullisment, Sanderson, Anely, Seat, Bell,
Braithwaite, Batty, Sherburn, Ward, Bullement,Collins, Empson, Johnson
1851 Eastrington (3 pages - born in Yorks unless stated) - Anelay, Fielder,
Morfit, Drewry, Pashley (Yorks & Lincs), Burn, Bulliment (Yorks & Lincs), Ward,
Proctor, Collins (Yorks & Lancs)), Witley, Young, Saunderson, Leaper, Gray
(Yorks & London), Sonley, Brownbridge, Wilson, Thornton
1851 Portington with Cavil (1 page - born in Yorks unless stated) - Champney,
Laverack, Smart, May ? (Ireland), McAndrew (Ireland), Briggs, Tutty, Tate
1861 Howden Bishopsoil (1 page - all born in Yorks) - Robinson, Beverley, Hirst
(Yorks & Lincs), Beck, Sampson, Bond, Bulliment, Large(Yorks & Norfolk) ,
1861 Eastrington (1 page - all born in Yorks) - Bulliment, Ward, Coult, Eckles,
1871 Newport (1 page - all born in Yorks) - Wilson, Ward, Grainger, Scott,
Neville, Clark, Quinn?
1871 Eastrington (4 pages - born in Yorks unless stated) - Parkin, Gillah,
Anson, Stpaul, Bulliment(Yorks & Lincs), Smith, Gregory, Tomlinson, Howson(Yorks
& Lincs), Raney, Jibson, Sherbourn, Hill, Strafford, Sherry, Broader, Young
(Lincs), Broughton, Coult, Richardson, Peacock, Hill, Cowlin, Jackson, Wood
(Yorks & Kent), Rennison, Hopper, Morris, Barrow, Goundrill, Stather, Ward,
Thompson, Burn, Ward, Graves, Proctor
1891 Eastrington (2 pages - born in Yorks unless stated) - Mays, Parker, Hill,
Scutt (Yorks & Lincs), White (Staffs), Skinner, Bulleyment, Nurse, Harrison,
Brown, Young, Slater, Harper
We've just heard that some people have been having difficulties trying to
contact us here at Hull Libraries because an incorrect email addresses has
been advertised on some of our webpages.
So, to set the record straight, the website for family history research at
Hull City Council is http://www.hullcc.gov.uk/genealogy The home page has
links to all the various activities here in Hull.
The main email addresses are:
1) local.studies(a)hullcc.gov.uk - for the Local Studies Library here at Hull
Central Library, Albion Street. This is where people should go if they have
questions about research facilities here in Hull, or about books held at the
Library, or if they want simple look-ups that would take less than 30
2) gareth.watkins(a)hullcc.gov.uk - which is the address for Hull's commercial
research service (the Family History Unit).
Could people please check their address books and make sure they've not got
any other addresses for these two services.
And if anyone has sent an email to Hull Libraries in the past 3/4 weeks but
not yet had a reply perhaps they should resend their message - the original
may be lost in cyberspace.
We're very sorry for any inconvenience this has caused.
Family History Unit, Central Library, Albion St, Hull HU1 3TF, UK
Phone 01482 616828, Fax 01482 616827
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Somebody either on the East or West Riding Digest (I don't recall which, so
am sending to both) asked for info on the 12th Regiment.
A search on Google brought forth the following:-
The Suffolk Regiment was a British army infantry unit raised in east
Suffolk in 1685 and named the 12th (East Suffolk) Regiment of Foot in
1782, whereupon it became known as the 'Old Dozen'. It won its badge
of a castle and key for services rendered during the siege of
Gibraltar during 1779 to 1783.
There was also a 12th Dragoons."
"Hi All, Been away for a while so just reposting for the new members.
Hope to find a connection somewhere.
Bearpark is of special interest. I would love to have ANYTHING, from
Well then Trish, I repeat, go to
and enter bearpark. Lots of stuff there.
There are six BEARPARKs in Canada, all in British Columbia. Here they are:-
BEARPARK, F W
14217 18A AVE
20815 STONEY AVE
500 LARCH PL
2345 CEDAR HILL CROSS R
22931 ROGERS AVE
BEARPARK, V J
3772 DOHM RD
Frank, Ottawa, Canada, who wishes everyone would post their location.
E-mail addresses, in the main, tell us nowt.
Hi All, Been away for a while so just reposting for the new members.
Hope to find a connection somewhere.
Bearpark is of special interest. I would love to have ANYTHING, from ANYWHERE.
Bye for now,
Central Coast of NSW, OZ
CHADWICK, BOOTH, Ludworth, Dbys
HARROP, HIBBERT Mellor, Dbys
BEARPARK, Stockton and Hull
KNIGHT, Stockton on Tees, Durham
WRIGHT, Sculcoates, EYks
STEPHENSON, Sculcoates, EYks
DOBBS, Sculcoates, EYks
MORTON, Sculcoates, EYks, Mirfield, WYks
ROBERTS, Sculcoates, EYks
GRAY, Whitby, NYks
GRAY Sculcoates, Yks
THORNTON, Stonegrave, Husthwaite, NYks
SCATCHARD, Ripon, WYks
CAWTHORN, Epworth, Lincs
I am looking for information on a family name Chilton. Information that I
received has placed my Nana in the area of Southshields, Yorkshire. If anyone
has information on an orphanage in that area or how I can contact them. I
have very few resources to halp my research, if anyone has, I'd really
appriciate it. Thank you.
Someone asked about information regarding the Holderness Hunt.
In the Local History Section of Hull Central Library is the following;
"Hunting notes from Holderness", by Captain Frank H. Reynard.
Printed by Jas Truscott & Son Ltd., London.
Cheers Gillie Lomax, Buntingford, Herts.
I've just sent the following to the West Riding lot. No doubt this info would
be of interest to East Riding folk also.
Frank, Ottawa, Canada.
Researching ERATT, LAYTON in Hull & Sculcoates.:-
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:05:30 -0400
> To: WEST-RIDING-D(a)rootsweb.com
> From: Frank Haigh
> Subject: Fwd: Finding people and places.
> Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2000 17:00:50 -0400
> >To: WEST-RIDING-L(a)rootsweb.com
> >From: Frank Haigh <frank(a)attcanada.ca>
> >Subject: Finding people and places.
> >Bcc: gwgreen(a)netcom.ca, mgreig(a)netcom.ca, frank(a)netcom.ca
> >In response to the query about COPLEY and the mention that one went to
> Canada, I can tell you that there are 154 COPLEYs listed in Canadian phone
> books coast-to-coast. This took less than 30 seconds. To see them, or any
> other name, go to:
> >New Zealand, Australia and the US of A also have searchable phone books,
> country-wide, on line. When I asked why UK phone books are not similarly
> available I was informed by a UK relative that it has something to do with
> bureaucratic nonsense and privacy legislation, but surely I was
> There must be some other reason.
> >Regarding queries about place names (recently, "Where is Earlsheaton" )I
> recommend going to the Google Search Engine at
> > <http://www.google.com/>www.google.com
> >and entering the name of the place you are looking for. It's extremely
> fast. One of the first things that came up for Earlsheaton was a list of
> HEMINGWAYs buried there. If there is more than one word to the place name,
> put them within quotes. For example: "East Keswick".
> >Frank, Ottawa, Canada.
I am searching for the birth cert for Jane(Jennie) Elizabeth SCOTT who was born 24th Sept 1896 in Scarborough. Have tried the certs at the FHC but no luck. Can anyon look in the parish registers for me. She married in Boosbeck in 1920 Her father was John SCOTT
Can anyone help? I have had the devil of a job trying to find My wife's
Grandmother the only information I have is listed under. this got me to
thinking, whatever happened to all the information collected during the
war, in ones ID cards.
I know that some reference to the old ID cards is around, as it is
linked to the National Insurance i.e. [pensions] as I have just applied
for mine. I would be forever grateful to anyone who could tell me how I
could access this information. as this may narrow my search down should
I be able to locate were she was born.
Annie LEE nee ROBERT'S born abt 1868 Father William ROBERT'S Ship owner.
Married age 26 too James Weathall LEE age 28 Dec 12 1894 Scarborough,
Lived @ 25 St Thomas Walk Scarborough.
William Robert's is not shown in transcript list of Scarborough or Hull
ship owners directories. Annie died in 1952 @ Caledonia Ave., Brighton
St, Hessle Rd Hull
Very many thanks for that useful information. Isn't it annoying when things
disappear at the library. Looks like I may have to go on a trip to York. In
the meantime thanks for the offer to keep an eye open. Sounds like you're
embarking on a very useful job there. I'm in Staffordshire by the way. I'd be
grateful for any reference to the name Wallett. Johnn Wallett's son was the
Queen's Jester, William Wallett baptised Hull1813
Conrad Plowman wrote:
> Hi Julie
> Your ancestor might have been sentenced at the Quarter Sessions, but
> more likely would probably have been sent to the York Assizes. There is
> a booklet entitled "Index to convicted felons sentenced to
> transportation at the City of York Assizes and Quarter Sessions" by
> Linda Haywood, published in 1998, which is supposed to be in the York
> City library, but I asked for it last week and they couldn't find it.
> Does anyone know where there might be a copy, or how to contact the
> I have just started to compile a simple name/date index of the Calendar
> of Felons at York Assizes. This is in 3 volumes at the York library -
> 1785-99, 1800-19, 1820-51, and I think there are further records at
> Northallerton for 1765-94, 1827-34, and possibly 1852-54. There are
> maybe 10000 names, so it will take me some time. There were a number of
> transportations for rioting around the date you mentioned. I will have
> a brief look, but to search more than a couple of years will take some
> time - hence the need for an index! Of course I will keep a look out
> for him, but I'm only up to 1792.
> Conrad Plowman
> > Hi
> > My ancestor John WALLETT, mariner, married Margaret GILLIES at Hull in
> > 1812. He had several children up to 1821 all baptised St Mary Lowgate.
> > He then disappeared. Then three more children 1830 onwards, said they
> > were born in the county on the 41 census in Hull but no trace in Hull
> > churches.
> > Re the gap wonder if could have been transported or gaoled. Understand
> > there
> > were some riots c1822 involving sailors and some were transported.
> > Anyone know anything about this please. Would transportations be in the
> > Quarter sessions at Hull RO
> > Any help gratefully received
> > Best wishes
> > Julie Layton
My ancestor John WALLETT, mariner, married Margaret GILLIES at Hull in
1812. He had several children up to 1821 all baptised St Mary Lowgate.
He then disappeared. Then three more children 1830 onwards, said they
were born in the county on the 41 census in Hull but no trace in Hull
Re the gap wonder if could have been transported or gaoled. Understand
were some riots c1822 involving sailors and some were transported.
Anyone know anything about this please. Would transportations be in the
Quarter sessions at Hull RO
Any help gratefully received
I think in the end it's a positive thing that the issue of ethics and
copyrighted material has come up on the list. I (and probably others) found
it very educational. It has helped to clarify some issues that have broad
implications in the genealogy community. I think the truth is that just
about any one of us could have made the same error that Tim made without
meaning to do harm. I'm glad we have the two Colins on the list who were
able to explain and clarify the whole thing so well.
Sandra in Toronto
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D-request(a)rootsweb.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2000 12:00 AM
> To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: ENG-EAST-YORKS-D Digest V00 #86
I think from memory you are allowed to copy some items. e.g. a page or two
of a book without infringing copyright.
Copyright is a difficult issue. I agree that people are entitled to be
rewarded for the work they do. It is such a grey area when the information
is public domain rather than a creative work of the author and something we
are having to get accustomed to.
I am never likely to buy the book under discussion as it is in the UK and I
am here. (I don't need a look up in it either) If I had one person listed
in it and that information was given to me only - not posted to the list, I
can't see any harm in that. If someone has many people they want looking up
then I think they should buy it. That is simple enough. For me the issue
would be fair play "am I depriving someone of income in some way".
If someone had an electoral roll transcribed for several years. e.g.
1918-1923 in Hull I would be interested in acquiring that - I can't honestly
see much value to the individual researcher in a one year transcription for
I have found the 1881 CD of great value. Each time I find a new connection
I am able to check it back in that and I would recommend anyone doing
research into their family would benefit from purchasing it. Getting
look-ups just isn't the same.
Jean in S. Australia.
From: Doug & Pat Frykberg <patfryk(a)clear.net.nz>
Date: Saturday, 26 August 2000 10:49 AM
Subject: Re: Ethics in look ups
>Ah, but there is something called copyright, and Tim has infringed that
>There are several urls around that deal with this subject. If Colin spent
>many hours (and I mean MANY.) searching through things like the 1881
>then what he has written of it remains HIS copyright. His work is NOT a
>Many of you no doubt get the Rootsweb Review. Take a look at its rulings on
>copyright. I have been bitten through innocently using a photograph in a
>magazine. The owner was kind and didn't punish me too severely but I also
>had to write a public apology and give her the kudos.
>If I remember correctly for Tim to have quoted from Colin's book without
>infringing copyright he would need to wait until Colin has been dead 50
>years and in some instances for other work 75 years. Check it out.
>However Colin, Tim did find one of my family names. I will now give you the
>credit when I use the information in my history.
>From: Jo Rus <jo.rus(a)talk21.com>
>To: ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com <ENG-EAST-YORKS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Date: Saturday, 26 August 2000 10:29 AM
>Subject: Re: Ethics in look ups
>>So, Colin, how do you feel about look ups from the 1881 Census? I'd like
>>believe (naively, you may think) that anyone compiling or publishing
>>documents or any material of this nature would be more interested in the
>>dissemination of information in the spirit of local and family history
>>research than in making a killing from its publication. Tim, your offer
>>should be read in the selfless spirit it was made.
>>Join the RootsWeb WorldConnect Project:
>>Linking the world, one GEDCOM at a time.
Hi to all Scaife researchers who I have or have not been intouch with :-))), I
am just writing to tell you that I have just taken over the SCAIFE mailing list,
so if you would like to come along and join us your are more than welcome
Please feel free to subscribe as below
Pauline (nee Brill) in Yorkshire, England
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