I was interested to see your knowledge of the Dyfed HARRIES families and
wondered if you had any information on HARRIES of Llanunwas.
My gggrandmother Mary HARRIES is shown as 'of Llanunwas' in her Banns of
September 1836 when she married Thomas BOWEN of Penberry in Whitchurch
Mary was the daughter of Dan HARRIES of Henry's Moat. I don't know of any
connection and assume that there is merely a coincidence of names but I
would be grateful if you could add anything.
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From: "anthony james" <anthony.james(a)ntlworld.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 5:53 PM
Subject: [Dyfed] Lloyd and HARRIES
Re Bettyes mail to the list and in particular Jenny DEMPSTER re Lloyd and
I'll try and make some explanation of what was contained in the
Firstly the HARRIES connection
Samuel HARRIES was of Cryglas and Trevacoon and descended from Harry
Samuel 1759-1839 was a substantial landowner in Dewisland, he married
WILLIAMS of Popehill herself suitably endowed from a landowning family
originally from Dewisland. Whenever you come across the Dewisland landowers
they invariably intermarry their objective being to retain title and
property rights, one of Samuels sons, the eldest ,was John Harding HARRIES
who married Martha WILLIAMS of Llandegige Fawr. St Davids Parish, Dewisland,
they had a number of issue. I find no obvious connection with Martha LLOYD
later TAYLOR from my records.
Please note I have categorically stated the intermarriage custom of the
Dewislanders it may come in useful later.
Let us turn to the second candidate Margaret Jane HARRIES, her full name
Margaret Jane Martha HARRIES of Priskilly daughter of George HARRIES of
the same place and descended from the family of the same name who came from
Tregwynt.Grandston Parish. This family is descended from Wizo the Fleming
brought in to fight the English Wars in Ireland in Strongbows time
Margaret Jane Martha HARRIES married George LLOYD of Brunant, Parish of
Caio,Co.Carmarthen. George was one of the sons of Evan LLOYD, surgeon of
Fishguard and went to live there having inherited the property. The LLOYD
family is immense, they originated in Cardiganshire and there whole pedigree
may be found in Lucy THEAKSTONS Limited Edition Book published in the 1800's
I believe called The LLOYDS of LLan LLYR,Allt Yr Odyn,Llan Fechan, Gilfach
Wen and Waun Ifor, Ffos y Bleiddiaid etc.
I have part of this pedigree which states the major players but I
find a Martha in the time frame of which you speak.
George LLOYD and Margaret HARRIES had 8 issue some of which intermarried
Dewisland families for example Louisa HARRIES of Llanmaes (related
to Samuel HARRIES of Cryglas) and Webb Bowen of Camrose again cousins of the
I havent seen all of the correspondence relating to the property in
and Samuel HARRIES claim on the property due to entail that
would have passed to John Harding HARRIES unless the entail had been broken.
When talking of the Webb Bowen family my records show that Olivia Webb
of the daughters of William Wheeler Webb Bowen married a man
named John Crowland TAYLOR, I have no further information on this marriage
but it follows the patterns previously described by the Dewislanders.
Let us now turn to Martha LLOYD later TAYLOR, Jenny mentions in her
message that she was receiving annuity from the LLOYDS of London,
it would be interesting which LLOYD family it is suspected to be. IF it is
the LLOYD family who founded LLOYDS Bank then Evan LLOYD, Surgeon of
Fishguard who inherited Brunant and where his son George later lived is of
Hope this helps in your research, if I can be of further assistance
let me know
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