Yes and no. I did refer in my message to the Golden Grove pedigree books in
the "Gathering the Jewels" [gtj] Project.
They are online at:
When you click through to this page - you need to go to the top right corner
- and click where it says "This has more pages" - then Next.
And you should be able to turn from page 1 to page 608 in sequence. I think
you need to turn each page electronically until you get to the page covering
Cadifor Vawr (page 90). No short cuts or anything.
If you were designing this as a user friendly website document - you would
get D+ - but it is better and cheaper for me than a trip to the Carmarthen
Record Office. I just wish the other 3 volumes were online.
I have no idea about a Phillips line from Myddfai - and the Golden Grove MS
generally stop around 1685, but can run a bit later. They are supposed to
date from about 1765 - and are essentially a fair copy of the original
manuscripts generated by David Edwardes and now in the College of Arms
You also need to check out the Peter Bartrum online project, but I think
this may only go down to 1500:
So what I am proposing is to transcribe the Phillips bits of these pedigrees
as part of the effort for Nancy Kiser - as for an American she really is
trying her best. But all other offers of help appreciated.
From: Venita Roylance [mailto:email@example.com]
Sent: 27 January 2012 16:28
To: Brian P. Swann
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Phillips Families of Picton Castle
Is the Phillip(s) of Picton genealogy posted on the internet? I have a line
from Myddfai, Carmarthenshire, but I have no idea whether they are a branch
of the family you are researching or not.
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On Jan 25, 2012, at 11:34 AM, Brian P. Swann wrote:
I am working with Nancy Kiser in the USA who runs the Phillips DNA
So over the next few weeks and months - as I have retired from full
time work at Xmas - I will be working up the Phillips pedigrees of the
Picton Castle families down from Sir Thomas Phillips in 1520 - to see what
As many of you may know the descent of the Picton estate was complex -
with failure of the main line in 1823.
So inheritance through male folk adopting the surname Philipps by
marriage of heiresses is taboo,
Bastard male lines are quite acceptable in DNA terms - if not in
estate inheritance terms for the College of Arms.
My starting point is the Phillips trees in the Golden Grove MS online
at the gtj project. Plus I have the following articles written by
Frank Phillips back in the 1970s.
Part IV; Part V; Part VI; Part VIII and Part X
I think these were the early editions of the South Wales Family
Can someone confirm this - as I just have the pages as PDF files.
Does anyone have the missing Parts?
I am short of time today - otherwise I would list the titles against
Any comments welcome at this stage of this endeavour. I am in touch
with David Ellis of Poyston - who is quite knowledgeable on some of
We are aiming for an authentic DNA signature of the Phillips/Philipps
family in Picton Castle, at least down to 1823 - by proxy.
Please, please do not send me all your Phillips interests across Dyed
in the first instance - unless directly relevant to this endeavour.
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