Dear Achwr, Bettye & List,
Apologies for my delay in replying, I became ill with Tonsillitis and Flu
and have been in bed for 4 days, so have not felt up to using computer.
I have checked the Will via the NLW this morning and it seems that you are
correct, I had misread the contents of the Will regarding James LLOYD the son
being recorded as a Surgeon. I do have a reference to a son being a Surgeon, but
have now realised, thank you Achwr, that it was the Son in law David Paulett Williams.
As soon as I feel able to continue, I will get back to you all on this one.
Thank you for your time and patience,
Kindest Regards,
Carol LLOYD.
Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2012 01:23:06 +0200
From: achwr(a)fsmail.net
To: manxie55(a)hotmail.co.uk; lki59595(a)bigpond.net.au; dyfed(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD, Ebenezer
Carol,
I had a quick look at the Will of James Lloyd, Surgeon on the NLW Website.
The scan of the first page of the Will appears to be cropped, but from what I can see
there is no reference to James Lloyd, Son as a Surgeon.
He does refer to his Brother in Law, David Paulett Williams as a Surgeon.
Can I suggest you transcribe the Will, as it is easy to skip over a few words when reading
an original document.
You mention that there were 2 James Lloyds Baptised. I would suggest, that unless James
Lloyd, Surgeon was twice married, the first died before the second was baptised.
There is (subject to the Caveat about cropping on the NLW Wills Website) only one James
Lloyd named in the Will, otherwise there would be something to distinguish between them.
To operate as a Surgeon required a certain degree of Education and Intelligence, and
someone of this standing would not write a Will that was a Godsend to avaricious
Attorneys.
If you do decide to transcribe the Will you are welcome to send me a copy.
I will correct any errors in transcription and attempt to decipher any words you cannot
make out.
Achwr
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Message Received: Aug 17 2012, 12:29 PM
From: "Carol Lloyd"
To: "Bettye KIRKWOOD" , "dyfed(a)rootsweb.com"
Cc:
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD, Ebenezer
Dear Bettye & List,
Many thanks for all of the suggestions that you sent me in my previous email.
I am trying to follow all of the LLOYD siblings and their families,
Ebenezer LLOYD was the brother of James LLOYD the " Butter Merchant " who
married
Mary JAMES that we sorted ages ago. See below:
Marriages Dec qtr 1862(>99%)via FreeBMD.
JAMES - Mary -Cardigan - 11b - 5
LLOYD - James - Cardigan - 11b - 5
********************************************************************************
Received Marriage Certificate today 10th Oct 2009.
James LLOYD was aged 42,Batchelor, Butter Merchant.
Residing at Prendergast.
Father: James LLOYD occ: Surgeon.
Mary JAMES aged 23, Spinster, residing at Penycruc, Dinas, Pembroke.
Father: John JAMES occ: Farmer.
Witnesses: John JAMES & John ? MEGLER/MEYLER(sic)
NOTES: Penycruc also spelt as Pencnwc and pronounced in English as:
Penknook, with a silent middle K.
The
MEYLER family were Landowner Farmers in Llandewi Felfre, Pembroke(
Velfrey, in English).
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1881 Census for Pembroke.
Registration District: Haverfordwest
Sub District: Haverfordwest
Civil Parish: Prendergast
PRO Ref: RG11 Piece:5419
Folio: 88 Page:1
Address: Greenfields, Prendergast.
LLOYD - Mary - Wife Head - Married - F - 41 - 1840 - Farmers Wife - Dinas, Pembrokeshire -
Wales.
LLOYD - Ebenezer J - Son - Single - M - 17 - 1864 - Farmers Son - Prendergast,
Pembrokeshire, Wales.
LLOYD
- Elizabeth P - Daughter - Single - F - 14 - 1867 - Farmers Daur -
Prendergast, Pembrokeshire, Wales. LLOYD - Mary E - Daughter -
Single - F - 11 - 1870 - Scholar - London, Middlesex.
LLOYD - John B - Son - Single - M - 10 - 1871 - Scholar - London, Middlesex.
LLOYD - Margaret J - Daughter - Single - F - 6 - 1875 - Scholar -
Prendergast,Pembrokeshire, Wales.
LLOYD
- James C - Son - Single - M - 4 - 1877 - Scholar - Prendergast,
Pembrokeshire, Wales.
**************************************************************************************
I have the Will of James LLOYD occ: Surgeon, who according to this Will left a bequest
to his son James LLOYD occ Surgeon.
See below:
James LLOYD, Surgeon, Parish of Prendergast Town & Co. of Haverfordwest,Pemb - Date 24
Jan 1854.
Date of Probate 20 Jan 1857.
Elizabeth Ann LLOYD wife, Properties mentioned..
Leasehold house, Bridge End,Parish of Prendergast.
Mr. Thomas MATHIAS, tenant, Innkeeper, Bridge End Town, Haverfordwest.
Ebenezer LLOYD, son
David Paulett WILLIAMS, brother of wife.
Surgeon James LLOYD, Son.
Mary LLOYD, daughter.
Thomas Lewis LLOYD,Son.
Elizabeth Paulett LLOYD,daughter.
Executor: Elizabeth Ann LLOYD.
Witnesses: Thomas OWEN, James HUGHES, David LLOYD occ: Blacksmith,Village & Parish of
Prendergast.
NOTES:
My query is that I have the Son, James LLOYD occupation Farmer," Butter
Merchant" based in
Portman Market, London at one time and he married Mary JAMES, the info all ties in, so
COULD a Farmer ALSO be a SURGEON?????
Kind Regards,
Carol
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From: lki59595(a)bigpond.net.au
To: manxie55(a)hotmail.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] LLOYD, Ebenezer
Date: Fri, 17 Aug 2012 12:33:42 +1000
Dear Carol,
You can take your choice between my suggestions Crun, Crunn
and..possibly...Crymes,...A John Crymes 1788 at Steynton married Mary
Andrews and an Amos Crymes, Clerk of Stainton (spelling in record) married
Mary Anne Falconer at St. Thomas Haverfordwest in 1827. Rev. Amos left a
1,500 pounds Will in 1856 and apparently had daughters Emlin born 1828 and
Mary Anne born 1821..both at H/west and there are bonds for these names on
The Nat. Library Wills site. Emlin was the wife of Anthony Stokes of
St.Botolphs and her unmarried sister Mary Anne Crymes aged 60 was living
with them at the time of the 1881 census..they also had a brother John
mentioned in Amos' Will. It is hard to reconcile an 1821 birth with an
1827 Minister's marriage unless he also was married earlier, but if so I
don't have a record for it. Other Crymes apparently from the 1881 census
were born at St. Ishmaels.
There are Crunns living in Narberth earlier, but I could not find the Crymes
names there in the marriage records.
I have never heard of Llanyndra as a Pemb. place name...could it be Llanwnda
perhaps? If you can locate where she was living, then you might find Anne's
death. I noted that she was only 16 years older than her son-in-law, so if
she was Sarah Griffiths' mother she would possibly have been married at c.
20, and her daughter married at about 20, give-or-take and Anne may have
been married in Cardigan. Depending on when she married, you may find
Anne's marriage or earlier census record if you look at the surnames I
suggest.
Hopefully,
Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol Lloyd"
To:
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 12:48 AM
Subject: [Dyfed] LLOYD, Ebenezer
>
> Dear List,
> I am trying to locate my husband's ancestor Ebenezer LLOYD.
> Details that I have below:
> International Genealogical Index.
> EBENEZER LLOYD - Male
> Christening:
> 11 MAY 1815 Prendergast, Pembroke, Wales.
> ********************************************************************************
> POSSIBLE but Unconfirmed:
> Marriages Mar qtr 1841(>99%)via FreeBMD.
> GRIFFITHS - Sarah - Cardigan - 27 - 39
> LLOYD - Ebenezer - Cardigan - 27 - 39
> ********************************************************************************
> POSSIBLE, but Unconfirmed:
> Deaths Sep qtr 1889(>99%)via FreeBMD.
> LLOYD - Ebenezer - 75 - Aberystwith - 11b - 33
> ********************************************************************************
> 1881 census transcription details for:
> Maesmawr, Issayndre
> National Archive Reference:
> RG number: RG11
> Piece: 5446 Folio: 60 Page: 7
> Reg. District: Aberystwith
> Sub District: Aberystwith
> Parish: Issayndre Enum. District:-
> Ecclesiastical District:-
> City/Municipal Borough:-
> Address: Maesmawr, Issayndre.
> County: Cardiganshire.
> Name/Relation/Condition/Sex/Age/Birth Year/Occ/Where Born/
> Remarks.
> JONES - David - Head - Married - M - 74 - 1807 - Farmer 34 Acres -
> Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire Wales.
> JONES - Margaret - Wife - Married - F - 76 - 1805 - Farmers Wife -
> Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales.
> JONES - Margaret - Daughter - Single - - F - 39 - 1842 - Farmers Daur -
> Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales.
> JONES - Mary - Daughter - Single - F - 33 - 1848 - Farmers Daur -
> Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales.
> ROBERT - William - Servant - Single - M - 15 - 1866 - Servant (Ag Lab) -
> Aberystwyth, Cardiganshire, Wales.
> LLOYD - Ebenezer - Lodger - Widower - M - 65 - 1816 - Land Agent (Ho)-
> Harfordwest, Pembrokeshire, Wales.
> ********************************************************************************
> 1871 Census: Llanyndra,Pembroke,Wales.
> Surname/Name(s)/Rel/Condition/Age/Occ/Where Born/Remarks.
> LLOYD - Ebenezer - Head - Widower - 55 - Land Agent - Haverfordwest,
> Pembs.
> ? CRONES/CRANES - Anne - Mother Law - Wid - 71 - Narberth, Pembrokeshire,
> Wales.
> ********************************************************************************
>
>
>
>
> I have tried looking for varients of Ebenezer's mother in Law's married
> name with
> no luck, any suggestions as to what this surname could be would be
> welcome.
> Many thanks,
> Carol LLOYD.
>
>
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