Rhodri’s figures on the population of Cardiganshire were very interesting. We may debate
the actual figures but the important points to me were that there were not many people in
Cardiganshire 1650 -1800, therefore not many heads of households and the population was
even less dense in mid Cardigan. It got me thinking how many John Jones there might have
been around the Llanddewibrefi area pre 1800. A look at LDB bapts in Find My Past shows
1-3 per year 1776-1800 and later census show usually only one per year or less, surviving
to 60+. A look at burials in LDB shows quite a high proportion would have died before the
age of 20 and so unlikely to have fathered children.
We are trying to find information on John Jones who died at Coedmawr Uchaf, Llanddewibrefi
around 1800, probate granted 24th Mar 1801. He was involved in the cattle dealing/droving
trade and left a sizable estate which his will says he purchased from Edwards ,
Abermeurig. So the question I asked myself was how many John Jones born around 1740 +or-
a few years were involved in the cattle trade and made enough money to buy a small
estate. The answer must be very few so myself and a fellow researcher are looking for
likely candidates to include or eliminate.
The hot favourite which Yvonne Evans has come up with is a John Jones who was mentioned
in the will of David Jones, Derry Ormond who was one time Lord Lieutenant of
Cardiganshire and died bankrupt in 1775. This John lived at Nantyrhenfoel and would have
been born around 1840 as his younger brother William was less than 30 in 1775 when a case
was brought against him for being a cattle dealer who was underage ( Richard
Moore-Collyers book). The will was not actioned because of his bankruptcy but details
So the questions we would like to ask the list are
1) Does anyone know where Nantyrhenfoel was? We guess somewhere around the
Llanddewibrefi area. A Google search just takes us to the original reference and we have
yet to find it on a list of Cards place names.
2) Is there a reasonably reliable pedigree for David Jones, cattle dealer, Derry Ormond?
We have some information on brother William who was father to the John we are seeking ,
another brother Theophilus and a sister who’s name we do not know.
3) We have yet to find a burial for John Jones, Coedmawr Uchaf. The only one in LDB
burials is on 7th June 1796 but some questions remain. Would it have taken almost 5years
to grant probate? After the name is what we have interpreted as ‘Sergeant’ . Does
anyone read this as something different? If it is sergeant what does it mean? If is
simply a military rank it is unlikely to refer to an estate owner who was described as a
gentleman. What other meanings are there? We have considered sergeant at arms but there
did not seem to many of them and they seem to be well recorded.
4) Are there any monumental inscriptions for Llanddewibrefi for burials pre1800 and can
they be easily accessed?
A few questions ,I know but we are hoping that more knowledgeable list members may be able
to answer a few.
Thanks in advance.
Rob Weeks, Preston
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