You need to understand the History of the Calvinistic Methodists.
They were originally a movement within the Established Church.
Up until 1790 when Daniel Rowlands died, the whole of Cardiganshire and further afield
went to Llangeitho once a month to receive the Sacrements.
They did not Baptise or partake of the Communion in those "meeting houses" that
existed, before 1811, when they broke with the Established Church, and became a
"Sect" in their own right.
Those "Chapels" that had been built, were therefore simply "Meeting
Houses", where the members congregated to listen to Sermons.
It is only after 1811, they became Methodist Chapels.
As they were part of the Established Church, and received the Communion, either at
Llangeitho or a local Church, where the Incumbent had sympathy with the Methodists (In
many cases it appears purely from self interest), they often appointed Incumbents of
Established Church, as Trustees and this resulted, in many "Meeting Houses",
being appropriated by the Established Church, when the Methodists began ordaining their
own ministers, and authorising them to baptise and give the communion in 1811. I
understand that the members of Bwlchgwynt, communed at Llanddewibrefi.
In Wills up to say 1820, I have come across many bequests or "rent charges",
from Non-Conformists and others who sympathised, either to a Certain Meeting house, or to
"The Protestant Congregation of Dissenters meeting at XXX."
I hope this clarifies the use of "Meeting House", rather than a "Chapel
I did look at the Will of James Jones proved 1790.
"....... I James Jones of the Town of Tregaron, Mercer ... etc."
It tells you that he lived in Tregaron Town, and was a Shopkeeper.
Some of the Trade Directories, may help you identify, him, his widow, or one of his
Tregaron Parish Records, are amongst the most complete in Cardiganshire, and you should be
able to find information about either him, his wife or children somewhere in the Parish
The bequest to the Meeting House, reads:
" I give the sum of 5 shillings towards the use of the meeting house at Tregaron for
the first twenty years after my decease, to be paid yearly and every year till the time be
This to me suggests, that it was worded in this way, so that it was used purely for the
benefit of the "Meeting House", and could not be appropriated by the Local
Incumbent of the Church.
Hope this is of some use.
Message Received: Aug 21 2013, 03:16 PM
From: "ANNE EVANS" <anneyvonne.evans(a)btinternet.com>
To: "DYFED(a)rootsweb.com" <DYFED(a)rootsweb.com>
Subject: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron
My grateful thanks to everyone who replied to my query about Tan yr allt Meeting
House. This was not a Quaker Meeting House but Calvinistic Methodist. The reason that
it sounded like a Quaker gathering was because James Jones in his will of 1789 did not use
the chapel name when he left a regular income to it, but called it "Meeting
House". This was unusual as the chapel probably had a name by 1789 i.e. it was Capel
Bwlchgwynt Tregaron and Tan yr Allt Meeting House was no longer in use.
Would anyone possibly know who in fact James Jones was? There is no house name on his
will - just parish of Tregaron. His executor was his son John Jones. They could possibly
be my ancestors. It is also possible that he witnessed the will of William
Williams1773 who was a wealthy bachelor farmer of Tregaron/Strata Florida area.
many thanks once again
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