I came across this, this am - which might add a little more info for
you... although not specifically mentioning any James Jones.
[From the WI booklet on
Tregaron, printed 1984]
"Below the road, on the right, overlooking the Croes stream, stands
Tanrallt-issa, which in 1840 was part of the Sunny Hill Estate, whose wooded
hillside lent its name to the farmstead. It was then farmed by Thomas Jones who
also farmed and owned the adjacent, much larger farm of Tanrallt-uchaf. Further
along on the left, Nantylles, an even larger farm, overlooks Tanrallt-uchaf on
the valley bottom. In 1840 it was part of the Derry Ormond Estate and farmed by
John Jones with the very large Camerfawr holding.
early as 1783, Rev. Daniel Rowland of Llangeitho preached at Nantylles, making
converts to the new Methodism and they met regularly in the farm. On the
marriage of the daughter of Nantylles to Thomas Jones of Tanrallt-uchaf in 1742
the meetings moved with her to the larger house. There in 1744 the informal
meetings became officially Y Cymdeithas Eglwysig. Tradition has it that beneath
the majestic oak tree at the rear of the house William Williams, Pantycelyn,
preached to larger congregations than the house could hold, and there composed
the hmn which is number 435 in the present hymn book. Meetings were transferred
in 1758 to Penlan in the town.
hundred years later a daughter of the James family then occupying
Tanrallt-uchaf married Rev. Henry Oliver Edwards, a minister in Ysbyty Ystwyth.
The latter came into the property and in 1870 he established a water-powered
woollen factory which was worked by Watcyn Rees. Many of the blankets and
carthenni produced here still exist in the district. The son David Edwardes
married, and his wife was the last headteacher of Blaencaron School. Factory
and farm have long since fallen silent and only the birds sing neath the old
oak." /end quote
are some images of the now derelict capel in Blaencaron..
- images of Blaencaron.
I have no idea if the old oak is still around in Tanrallt in
PS the William Williams
you mentioned in your first message to List - this WW was a wealthy (and reputed to be
short tempered) sheep farmer and
landowner of Pantyseiri, Tregaron. Brother of Nathaniel Williams and who inherited his
estate when WW died unmarried. WW Pantysieri funeral service
is said to have been conducted by Daniel Rowlands, and he (WW) is buried in
Llanddewi Brefi. (His brother Nathaniel is buried in Ystrad Fflur/Strata
Florida) - So your James Jones, being (presumably) of the Methodist
persuasion, could well have witnessed WW's will.William Williams,
Pantysieri/Pantysheriff was sometimes known as King of the Mountains. Both he and his
brother were High Sheriffs of Cardiganshire at various times.
From: ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans(a)btinternet.com>
To: "DYFED(a)rootsweb.com" <DYFED(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 21 August 2013, 15:15
Subject: [Dyfed] Tan yr Allt Meeting House Tregaron
My grateful thanks to everyone who replied to my query about Tan yr allt Meeting
House. This was not a Quaker Meeting House but Calvinistic Methodist. The reason that
it sounded like a Quaker gathering was because James Jones in his will of 1789 did not use
the chapel name when he left a regular income to it, but called it "Meeting
House". This was unusual as the chapel probably had a name by 1789 i.e. it was Capel
Bwlchgwynt Tregaron and Tan yr Allt Meeting House was no longer in use.
Would anyone possibly know who in fact James Jones was? There is no house name on his
will - just parish of Tregaron. His executor was his son John Jones. They could possibly
be my ancestors. It is also possible that he witnessed the will of William
Williams1773 who was a wealthy bachelor farmer of Tregaron/Strata Florida area.
many thanks once again
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