I said I couldn't help you......on a wet autumn afternoon you have certainly
jolted me into action with my findings, and if I am not mistaken, Achwr and
other Listers whose vast knowledge eclipses my poor efforts will be very
Doris and I have been working on the mysterious Eleanor who died in Salem,
Oregon, USA in 1893. We've now confirmed her roots as coming from
and that her maiden name was WILLIAMS.
You stated that Eleanor's sister Anne, who was of Llanfair Bryn in
Carmarthenshire was the wife of a David Davies born at Brecon c. 1822 and
that she had two nephews William Llewellyn Davies and Rhys Arthur Davies
(born c. 1854 in Llandilo, Carm ..a carpenter who were the sons of Anne and
her husband. (This area of Llanfair-ar-y-Bryn adjoins Llandingat and both
are on the Brecknockshire border with Carmarthenshire).
I decided to have a look in "Historic Carmarthenshire Homes & Their
Families" by Major Francis Jones, the Late Welsh Herald and found that
Llandovery Town is listed under Llandingad and shown as Llandingad Within.
The properties listed are
LLanfair Grange, Neuadd Hen, Neuadd Newydd, Llandingat House and Name & site
Whilst the Williams name is not listed, under Site Unknown is "Home of the
Davies family. Unlocated. In early 18th. century occupied by Rhys Davies,
ironmonger, followed by his son Arthur Davies, mercer, who was father of Dr.
David Davies (1756-1829) from whom descend the Saunders-Davies family of
Pentre, Pembs. see Pembrokeshre Record Office Saunders-Davies documents.
I am sure you have noted the coincidental names given to Eleanor's nephew
Rhys Arthur Davies. Is it a coincidence?
Alcwyn C Evans pedigree chart C.104 shows Rhys Davies descending from an
Evan Davies ...but by an unknown number of generations...and that his son
Arthur Davies. Saddler.....(NOT MERCER) was of Llandovery "Az. a wolf
salient arg" but shows him as the father of David Davies of Pentre
....who married Susanna Saunders the only surviving daughter of Erasmus
Saunders of Pentre......these tie into my own research lines for my branch
of the Devonalds.
Now for Eleanor's sister Anne who was born c. 1823 in Llanfair (ar-y-) Bryn
Among the various entries are:
Dugoedydd- Extract " In 1736 Thomas Lloyd of Dugoedydd died aged 83 and his
wife Gwen died in 1745 aged 81. It became part of Campbell (Cawdor)
estate, and the map-book of 1795 includes Dugoidudd farm 229 acres. The
Saunders family lived there for some time.
David Saunders of Dugoedydd was father of the doctor Daniel Saunders, Royal
Navy, who died at sea in 1865 aged 38. In 1862 William Williams was tenant
of the farm."
Pant Y Celyn Llanfair ar y bryn - Extract " In the hills 3-1/4 miles east of
Llandovery. commodious attractive farmhouse, former home of a yeoman
family one of whom, the Revd. William Williams (1717-1791) became famous as
a Methodist cleric and hymn-writer.
See an account and a sketch of Panty-celyn in Cymru III 1892, pp105-110, and
Llandovery Guide Book 1909 p. 25 for an excellent photograph of the
homestead. It remains the home of descendants of the Williams."
Of course this was published in 1997 so the last statement may no longer
Hopefully this will allow further connections to be made.
Bettye Kirkwood, Australia.