I think I might be a bit worried about the Bettws CMN birth parish for
Alice, if only because the GLA parish of Bettws butts on to Glyncorrwg
parish where her husband was born.
Although Alice's brother's marriage at Gellymaenwydd tends to support a CMN
I would be wanting to look at all the original census entries to see make
sure, as far as possible, that the 1841 does say Bettws CMN - and whatever
the others say.
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenys Travis" <glenys(a)travis.ndo.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 1:22 AM
Subject: [Dyfed] REES & PHILLIPS
I should be most grateful for help from some kind soul(s)!
My great grandfather was Daffy or David REES. He was born in Llantrisant
GLA, 1853-54. I have a birth certificate, recording the birth of David
REES at Heol-Llaes, Llantrisant on 15th July 1853; his parents were Alice
(formerly PHILIP) and Rees REES. This pair had settled in Llantrisant by
1851; they subsequently moved to Llanharan and Peterstone super Montem,
where they died, he aged 99 in 1884 (b. about 1785) and she in 1891 aged
78 (b. about 1812). They are buried in Bethlehem Congregational Chapel
Church yard, Llanharan, as are David, his wife Elizabeth and four of their
In Census 1861Alice said she was 50 and came from Betws CMN; Rees said he
was 65 and came from Glyncorrwg GLA. For other Censuses, Alice and Rees
gave wildly differing dates and places of birth. However, by family legend
there were connections to Carmarthenshire.
Having found a Rees REES in Llanharan in 1841 by himself, working as a
farm labourer, I looked for Alice PHILIP & PHILLIPS etc. (in Carmarthen
Record Office) in the 1841 Census for Betws CMN but found no trace; I did
however find Alice REES, also by herself, describing herself as a
labourer's wife. It is quite a possible scenario.
FreeBMD's coverage of marriages for the years 1837-1841 is not complete,
though nearly so; nevertheless, I have trawled the 1837online facsimile
with no result, except for one marriage in Swansea in 1844 for which there
is no corresponding entry for Rees. If my previous paragraph is correct,
that would be too late anyway.
I have had an all too brief look at the Parish registers for Bettws and
for Llandebie; I don't think I could have looked far enough, certainly not
exhaustively in the afternoon I was there. Of course, I found no trace of
a marriage or of Alice's birth. I think she had brothers, and I believe I
have a marriage certificate for one of them, Joseph, who married his
Elizabeth in the Gellymaenwydd Independent Chapel at Llandebie in November
1850. He was born about 1824. His own children, according to the later
censuses were born in Llantwit Fardre and have names that sit well with
Any thoughts as to where to seek the evidence of Alice's birth and
marriage would be most welcome! Solid information about her might also
give a lead as to the origins of Rees!
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