James Morgan <jteaguem(a)yahoo.co.uk&gt; wrote: On the top right hand corner of the 1851 census sheet is stamped 336. The public Record Office Ref No is H.O. 107/2471. The first property on the sheet is, {as I read the writing}: Tynynywern, next is Carreg Lwyal, then Llwyncinon then last Hendy. ============== Dear James, The extra information you've provided has enabled me to refine the area concerned to District 2b in the 1851 census, described as follows: ----------------- All that part enclosed by the road commening at Pontargoedlwyn passing West of Tregib over Cevencethin to the River Cennen at Blaenycwm thence by the River Cennen on the South and West to Pontargoedlwyn. ----------------- Using this description, I have located the area to be immediately west and northwest of the village of Trap. On my modern Ordnance Survey 'Explorer' map (sheet 186), Ty'n-y-wern is at grid reference SN650189 (coordinates 265000,218900); Gareg-lwyd is at SN647193 (264700,219300). Neither Llwyncinon nor Hendy is shows, but the next property enumerated in 1851 was Llwynypiod which is shown on the 'Explorer' map at SN644190 (264400,219000). The relevant section of the 'Explorer' map can be accessed via the Get-A-Map website http://getamap.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/frames.htm In the search section near the top left of the Get-A-Map webpage, enter the grid reference SN649191 into the search field and click the GO button. Change to successively larger scale maps by clicking on the zoom control buttons to the middle left of the map until a 2 km x 2 km section of a 1:25,000 scale 'Explorer' map appears. You can call up a highly detailed (1:10,560-scale) late 19th century map of the same area by going to the Old Maps website at http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ On the main page, select the "Co-ordinates" option in the search facility (near top left of the page). In the search field enter the co-ordinates 264937,219113 (without any spaces) and click the Search button. When the small map appears, click on the "Enlarged view" button below the map. A highly detailed large map of the area will open in a new window, showing Gareg-lwyd, Ty'n-y-wern, and Llwyn-y-piod. Is it possible the 60-acre "Llwyncinon" shown on the 1851 census was absorbed into neighbouring farms later in the 19th century? Another thought is that the name is not Llwyncinon, but Llwyneinon. Kind regards, John ---------------------------- John Ball, Ystalyfera, near Swansea, Wales, UK E-mail: john(a)jlb2005.plus.com John's Homepage: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/ Images of Wales: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/walespic/ Welsh Family History Archive: http://www.jlb2005.plus.com/wales/ GENUKI Breconshire Maintainer: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/BRE/ Joint Administrator for POWYS, and BRE/MGY/RAD mailing lists .