Many thanks for your suggestions. I'd better look again at the Alumni
Oxonienses in case the Jesus College man is mine. Here is what I have on
him tho' most of the info I have on him is post 1794:
Son of John Davids d. ~1793 of Dryslwyn fawr and his wife Anne nee Bowen
~1745-1821. They marry Dec 1765 and Rev John is their child as he is
mentioned as such in both their wills.
1798 29th January marries at Aldridge Staffordshire Elizabeth nee Thompson
(~1761-1818), widow and residuary legatee of John Bracebridge Hawkesford
1800-1804 Only surviving child Mary Anne born Newcastle Emlyn - 1851 Llanrug
Census suggests earlier date as does her date at burial. The 1861 Census for
Llanrug suggests the later date but is probably wrong.
1818 likely death of wife who is buried 11 May 1818 at St Peter and St Paul
Aston Warwick with her first husband
1829 a note from his daughters probate proved 1868 is as follows: "by a
certain indenture bearing date the 24th day of June 1829 and made between
the Rev John Davids thentofore of Newcastle in Emly... afterwards of Bradley
Cottage Lodge in the Parish of Alveley in the County of Salop but then of
Aldridge in the County of Stafford..."
1829 25 June Great Barr Staffs marriage of Mary Anne to Rev Henry Bayley
1837 Rev John Davids of Aldridge is named executor of the Will of my GGG
grandfather William Thomas of llwyn-y-Berllan Llandeilo fawr. Wm Thomas'
wife Anne was a niece of John Davids.
1851 The Gazetteer and Directory of Staffordshire, William White, Sheffield,
1851 reproduced on the Genuki page for Aldridge Staffs he is listed as
owning a freehold estate. This is most likely to be the Coppy Hall Estate
which came via his marriage and which his son-in-law Rev Henry Bayley
Williamsdeveloped as a coal mine.
1854 Sept Qtr dies at Carnarnvon
My John Davids father was a a farmer, variously described as yeoman and gent
but the family was fairly well to do so there is a possibility that the
earlier Davids was related. Is the project you're involved in the one I
found on the internet that has thus far only completed (?) the clergy from
the Diocese of Rochester? And are you looking for info from sources outside
the actual diocesan records? If so, I'm related to to dozens if not
hundreds of clergymen! Tho' I think I'm only directly descended from one.
From: "Paul Vivash"
Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2005 14:20:09 -0000
To: "Neil Robertson" <robertson(a)opengarden.org.au>,
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Re: Education for Clerics
Here are all the references whic I have specifically to a John DAVIDS.
Clearly they may not all be relevant to you - spellings as in the originals:
16 Jan 1660/1 Johannes DAVIDS was instituted rector of Lawrennie (Lawrenny),
12 Sep 1725 Johannes DAVIDS of "Llanwcharne", Cards, was ordained priest by
John BANKS, Bishop of St. Davids
13 Sep 1725 Johannes DAVIDS was licensed to the curacy of Jordanston Pembs
20 Jan 1740/1 John DAVIDS was licensed to the perpetual curacy (ie
virtually the status of a vicar) to St. Edins, Pembs on the death of
20 Jan 1740/1 John DAVIDS was licensed to the perpetual curacy of
Manernawen, Pembs on the death of Meredith LLOYD
20 Jan 1740/1 John DAVIDS was instituted vicar of Llanwenog, Crds on the
death of Meredith LLOYD
20 Sep 1794 John DAVIDS BA of Jesus College, Oxford subscribed prior to his
ordination as a priest
20 Sep 1794 John DAVIDS BA was licensed to the perpetual curacy of
21 Nov 1797 John DAVIDS was licensed to the curacy of Penboyr, Carms
I imagine that the last 3 are the most likely to refer to your John DAVIDS,
though you may have discounted him if you've checked Alumni Oxonienses where
he would surely apear. Unfortunately he is just to early for Crockfords but
he might appear in the Clergy List which was its precursor. Do you know if
John DAVIDS senior was a clergyman.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil Robertson" <robertson(a)opengarden.org.au>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:32 AM
Subject: [Dyfed] Re: Education for Clerics
> Dear Listers,
> I've been following this discussion with great interest as one of my many
> elusive Welsh relations was a clergyman. After consulting both the Oxford
> and Cambridge Alumni records with no success I was stumped as I had always
> assumed (wrongly it now seems) that all clerics had to be graduates. I
> wonder if I too could prevail on Paul to look up my relation. He was the
> Rev John Davids, son of John Davids of Dryslwyn fawr. He would probably
> have been born 1765-80. I believe his early career was in Wales but later
> he lived at Aldridge Staffs, and much later in Carnarvon where he died in
> 1853-54. his only child was the wife of Rev Henry Bayley Williams rector
> Neil Robertson
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