Trying to keep it simple, the main points are these:
1. Gloucestershire is an English county bordering Wales.
2. Your National Gazetteer map is the most relevant for family history.
"Flints" seems to be an irrelevance (stick with Flintshire).
3. It's useful to add the 'shire' since some of the places eg Denbigh and
Flint are towns and "Denbighshire" and "Flintshire" distinguish
and the counties. For that reason "Merionethshire" is in fact often used to
distinguish from the town of Merioneth. Anglesey (Ynys Mon in Wesh), being
an island is a law unto itself and never has "shire" after it.
3. Forget Dyfed (which has been scrapped again, anyway) and the 'entities'
you mention. This is only relevant to current political boundaries and has
nothing to do with the counties as they existed prior to 1974 and as you
will encounter them in family history.
Best wishes from Goginan (Cardiganshire)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mitzi Allen" <lew977(a)yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 4:32 AM
Subject: [Dyfed] Need more educating
I started out with a simple question and now I'm confused. One
other (American) sites seems to say that Gloucestershire
is in Wales, and I didn't think it ever way, so I did a google search
for things like "Shires in Wales" to get a list. I got a number of
hits, this is what confused me.
The National Gazetteer of Wales has a lovely, simple color map of Wales
showing Anglesey, Caernarfonshire, Denbighshire, Flintshire, Flints,
Merioneth, Mongoneryshire, Radnorshire, Cardiganshire, Pembrokeshire,
Carmarthenshire, Brecknockshire, Monmouthshire, and Glamorganshire.
Well, that looked good to me except where's Dyfed, and why are those
two not called Anglesey-shire and Merioneth-shire, or are they? And
what is "Flints"? It can't be Flintshire, since there already is one.
If I'd stopped there I would have thought I knew it all, well, almost
all. But No! If found the next site that tells me that "As of April
1, 1996, Wales was subdivided into 22 new entities, (Entities?) for
administrative purposes. The densely populated county of Glamorgan was
split into 11 separate departments(departments? or shires?) alone..."
and it adds: Conwy, Wrexham, Gwynedd, Powys, shouldn't they end in
-shire?--- and the newly split up Glamorgan into: Merthyr Tydfl,
Rhondda, Cynon Tuff, Swansea, North Port Talbot, Bridgend, Vale of
Glamorgan, Cardiff, Caerphilly, Newport, Torfaen, Blatenau Gwent.
(That's more than eleven,) and it says 11 "departments", are these also
And are these new "Entities" shires? Or does all this just simply mean
that within the shires more administrative districts have been
added--like 11 in old Glamorganshire.?
I hope this gives you a chuckle. But I would be happy if someone would
send me a site that would explain this. Uness one of you has a simple
explanation that you use with your 8-year olds. But at least, in all
my puzzlement, I guess I've figured out that Gloucestershire isn't and
wasn't in Wales....or, oh no!, was it?
Helpless in Seattle
"As knowledge increases, wonder deepens." --Charles Morgan
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