If the parents were married to each other at the time of the child's birth
the father's name would be recorded on the birth cert, the fact that he was
dead may or may not be noted maybe depending on whether the informant
volunteered the information.
My 2xgreat grandmother Elizabeth had a child out of wedlock in Birmingham,
1885 and only she is named on the birth cert. In 1891 she's living with her
husband (they married 1889) and their baby daughter (my great-nana); the 6
year old boy is living with Elizabeth's brother many miles away, and still
has his mother's surname.
By 1901 first hubby had died and Elizabeth has remarried, and the
illegitimate boy is now living with the family, and has been given the first
I don't suppose this was the first time that a dead husband who couldn't
protest was used to give an appearance of legitimacy to the mother's child.
Could this be what's happening with your family?
As for the deceased father on the marriage cert - it's possible that she did
know who her father was, and he really was dead. However, illegitimacy
carried a huge social stigma until well into the 20th censtury, and it
wasn't uncommon for illegitimate people to invent a dad when they got
married, rather than leave a big gap that showed the circumstances of their
birth for ever. This father was almost always deceased because it avoided
the difficult questions about why he wasn't at the ceremony. My 3xgreat
grandmother was illegitimate at her baptism, but when she married she named
her 'father' - after a lot of work this seems to have been her
brother-in-law, who was only a year or two older than she was, but at least
it made the certificate look right.
Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2007 22:29:40 -0800
From: Pam Hendy <phendy(a)shaw.ca>
Subject: [Dyfed] Help with birth certificate , info needed regarding a
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I live in Canada and have never done any research in Wales, but have in
other parts of England
my Questions is this about census records.
In the 1901 census it names the mother as a widow and both her children
going by her married name , but on the birth certificate in 1900 for
friends grandmother under father it is blank.
My Questions is this could that mean her grandmother was born out of
or would they
have left the fathers name out if he was deceased?
As i have aquired the marriage cert for my friends grandmother and it has
her fathers name and
it says he is deceased.
does anyone have and explaination for this.