First to clarify, my experience is mainly in Pedigrees relating to Dyfed.
I do not claim to be an expert, but most of my research interests are from 1750 Backwards.
The more I research the more errors I find in Pedigrees and many Publications where the
authors have assumed that if a name suited, it must be the right one, although research in
Wills and checking the chronology would have told them it did not work.
I have managed to connect many of my ancestors to various pedigrees, and that is where the
Many are not stable and have missing generations.
Wikipedia should not be taken as a definitive source, and is often wrong. A Guide to
further research - Yes, but not a definitive source.
The earlier the pedigree from which the information has been taken, the more likely it is
to be accurate in my experience.
As far as printed versions or various pedigrees available on line.
Lewis Dwnn's Heraldic Visitations and the Book of Baglan, are more accurate (allowing
for transcription errors) than the Golden Grove Books.
The GGB's appear to have been largely derived from Wills and word of mouth, and the
authors or compliers had no knowledge or access to Lewis Dwnn. The additions are Guesses,
and often wrong.
Several Manuscripts are Based on the GGB's and repeat the errors.
Alcwyn Carini Evans's Manuscripts are an amalgam from various sources, and as well as
repeating previous errors has introduced others.
20th Century Authors have taken these works as definitive sources.
Publications, like Buckley's Sheriffs of Carmarthenshire relied heavily on Alcwyn
Francis Jones Wales Herald Extraordinary (Incompetent in my view) was a Cataloguer and
simply assumed that all these sources were correct, even though the various publications
in his name often contradict each other. The title Wales Herald has resulted in most
assuming that his "utterances" are Gospel, and beyond doubt.
I have no interest in adding to the plethora of false Pedigrees on the Internet, and would
expect you to provide a stable Pedigree showing your connection (with sources), if you
want a considered response.
In the meantime you could do worse than Google Peter Bartrum.
Message Received: Jul 21 2015, 03:16 AM
From: "Venita via"
To: powys(a)rootsweb.com, "Dyfed Dyfed"
Subject: [Dyfed] Elen ferch Llywelyn, daughter of Llywelyn the Great
Hi All, I hope there is someone on this list who is an expert in Medieval Wales, or
someone who knows someone I can contact. Here’s the thing - Elen is said to be a daughter
of Llywelyn the great, born (Elen) about 1230 and died about 1295. She is said to have
married twice, her second husband being Donald MacWilliam of Mar, Scotland. Their
daughter, Isabella, married Robert the Bruce, King of Scotland. The Bruce’s birthdate is
recorded as 11 July 1274, and Isabella’s is estimated at about 1277. If all the dates are
somewhat accurate, the would make Elen about 47 years old when Isabella was born, which is
not likely! Also, Elen’s siblings are almost a generation older than she. I’m questioning
her relationship to Llywelyn - it is more likely that she is his granddaughter than his
daughter. Does anyone have any insight on this? Many thanks in advance! All comments will
be appreciated! Venita PS: My source is Wikipedia. Family History and Other Fascinations
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