I agree that 1801 is very early for white people to know any negro songs, but I read the
reference to "negro songs" as meaning spirituals, which are based on Christian
hymns and psalms which white people would have known very well. There's an
interesting article at
the references are after the date at which you are interested and rather undermine my
theory. I suppose the best thing to do would be to find out where Rev Evans got the
information from. Perhaps the original source gives more details.
As to why locals in Llandysilio Clunderwen say they are descended from black people, I
haven't got a clue. I would have thought it most unlikely in such a remote area.
Perhaps a stray Carribean person might have jumped ship in Bristol and hidden him/herself
away, but I would have thought it would be easier to do in a city where people would be
more accustomed to strangers.
From: ANNE EVANS <anneyvonne.evans(a)btinternet.com>
To: SARA WHITE <saramwhite(a)btinternet.com>; DYFED(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Wednesday, 11 November 2015, 12:29
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] black singing troupe at Bancyfelin Carmarthenshire
Hi Sara and List,
So sorry to be so long in replying to you re black face troupe of singers. 1801 seems
such an early date for local white people to know any negro songs.Its such a mystery!
I cannot of course give any names etc. but some locals in my area Llandysilio Clunderwen
etc. are quite adamant they come from black people and believe their ancestors were from
Carribean This would be about early 1800's. Any idea why this could have happened?
Yvonne Evans ---Original message----
From : saramwhite(a)btinternet.com
Date : 22/10/2015 - 16:17
To : anneyvonne.evans(a)btinternet.com, DYFED(a)rootsweb.com
Subject : Re: [Dyfed] black singing troupe at Bancyfelin Carmarthenshire
I have no actual knowledge about this, but it strikes me it could well have been a
black-face troupe along the lines of the Black and White Ministrels, if you are old enough
to remember that. Somersett's case in 1772 means it would be most unlikely that they
were slaves brought over from the Caribbean as the owner would be in danger of losing his
property by bringing them into England.
From: ANNE EVANS via <dyfed(a)rootsweb.com>
To: "DYFED(a)rootsweb.com" <DYFED(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, 22 October 2015, 13:54
Subject: [Dyfed] black singing troupe at Bancyfelin Carmarthenshire
I am reading Rev Conrad Evans book published 1975, on the parish of Llanfihangel Abercywyn
near St Clears and Bancyfelin. To my surprise he mentions in the appendix that there was
"a coloured troupe singing negro songs" at Bancyfelin in 1800! I really am very
puzzled. Would these be black slaves brought over by a slave owner from Jamaica, Barbados
etc? Has anyone any idea?
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