Captain Cook was said to have likened what he could see as he sailed up the
eastern Australian coast to Whitesands Bay (Pembrokeshire) ...... and the
reason he named it NEW South Wales.
My ancestor was of "Moylgrove, South Wales", when he married in 1814 in
----- Original Message -----
From: "Megan Phelps" <megphelps(a)optusnet.com.au>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2008 6:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] North or South Wales
My great great grandfather, James Millard Phelps, must have made a lot
of noise about his being from Tenby , Pembrokeshire, South Wales, as
these details appear in both his death notice in April 1887 in the
Sydney Morning Herald and on his headstone which reads:
14 April 1887
Husband of Margaret Phelps.
Born Tenby, Pembrokeshire, Sth. Wales, died North Shore.
Left a widow & ten children
He had been in the colony of Australia for 36 years but it was still
felt important to note his origins. I had always wondered why the
"South" was included; it seems the distinction was often made.
In 1770 Captain James Cook claimed the east coast of what is now known
as Australia, using the name "New South Wales" when writing in his
ship's log. Apparently it is unclear whether he was referring to a new
Wales in the south or a new South Wales.
On 01/02/2008, at 7:12 PM, Cardi2(a)aol.com wrote:
> I have a Welsh-born friend who is close to 90 years old. He was
> born in
> Briton Ferry, GLA. He told me once that when he was a child and in
> school, it
> was said that anything south of Aberystwyth was South Wales and
> anything North
> was North Wales. I guess that was before the Tourist Board changed
> it to
> Mid Wales. Re West Wales - I have always heard that term in my
> home. My
> father, also Welsh-born, used to mention Cardiganshire as being
> West Wales.
> Somehow, the Welsh spoken there was better than in South Wales, he
> said. Annie
> \"David Rowlands" <drowlan1(a)bigpond.net.au>
> To: "Dyfed List" <Dyfed(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Gareth's 'take' is as good as any, in my view but, if these EVANS
>> from somewhere like, say, the parish of Llanfihangel genau'r glyn in
>> north Ceredigion I doubt whether they would have referred to their
>> home as 'South Wales'.
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