Glad it isn't just me then ! :-)
What you say is very interesting.
These are my own sources or "evidencefor your consideration which may
[or may not] help us both to crack this once and for all.
On page 21 of History of Brynamman, under Parish Council Act 1894, it
"Brynamman stand partly in 3 parishes, Quarter Bach,Llandeilo and
Lets get Llangiwg out of the way first, I have a poor photocopy part
of a Dyfed CC parish map which shows Lower Brynamman is in
Same map shows the south west part of Brynamman "proper" ,west of
Nant Melyn,in Llandeilofawr parish, but not in Cwmamman.
The Dyfed FHS parishes diagram annotated c 1830 shows Llanddeusant
parish incorporating ALL that area that the Dyfed CC parish map shows
as Quarter Bach.The latter covering the rest of Brynamman.
In other words , it shows the nearest Llangadog boundary as being a
fair way from Brynamman .
Which is why I mentioned Llanddeusant originally.
BUT hang on,
Parish Registers of Wales says under Brynaman " Formed out of
Which is why I made my "some connection to Llangadog comment".
So, I think it boils down to whether the area latterly called Quarter
Bach was originally part of Llangadog or Llanddeusant ?
Is the Dyfed FHS map wrong in other words ?
But the parish map in Rawlins PCNCW shows the same shape for
Llanddeusant as the FHS one !
So, are they both wrong ?
Or is it that a change took place between 1830 and 1889 where the area
known as Quarter Bach was taken from Llanddeusant and given to
Anyone reading all this who was merely confused before is probably now
tearing their hair out :-)
Please, someone put me out of my misery !
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----- Original Message -----
From: Anna Brueton <bruetons(a)anoeth.demon.co.uk>
Sent: Monday, November 29, 1999 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [DYFED] CWMAMMAN
>Yes, Brynamman one of those nightmare places which still confuses
>Apart from being in two counties, depending which part you live in,
>straddles the parishes of Llangiwg[Gla],and Llanddeusant and
>Llandilofawr in CMN, with some apparent historical link that I have
>yet to quite fathom, with Llangadog too.
I am also very unclear about boundaries in this area, but have a
understanding from Gareth.
The problem is the part of Brynaman to the east of Nant Melyn and N
Aman, which I understood was historically in Llangadog. Certainly
tithe maps for Llangadog cover this area and it falls within
census purposes (referred to as Quarter Bach). On the otherhand,
census records for Cwmaman are found under Llandeilofawr.
The situation is further confused in the Rowlands book "The surnames
Wales", where maps are given of the administrative hundreds of
covering the area we are discussing is said to be Iscennin, which
none of the parishes of Llandeilofawr, Llangadog or Llanddeusant
they admit to having "rationalised" the situation in some
In "Sir Gaer - Studies in Carmarthenshire history", Muriel Bowen
looks in detail at boundaries in Brynaman and says "The land
Melyn was in the commote of Perfedd and ancient parish of
On the other hand, it's rare to find Quarter Bach residents in the
Llangadog parish register. I've always assumed this was because
mostly dissenters or found the journey over the Black Mountain too
I hope this helps, rather than confuses!
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