Below is your previous message, which you signed Annei. I am not Psychic and refuse to
appologise for addressing you by the name you signed with.
"i have ancestors who were yeoman and they owned land. My understanding was that a
yeoman and a freeholder
owned his own land and worked it. A gentleman owned his own land but had somebody else do
the work. And a copyholder didn't own any land at all.
Your response that your information is based on census and other data is interesting. The
first Census of any use was in 1841. By then the term Yeoman was becoming archaic. I would
welcome any reference you can provide to the term Yeoman in 1841 or later Censuses.
For your information the description of testators as Yeoman in Wills proved in the Diocese
of St Davids shows a marked decrease during the period 1800 to 1858.
1800 to 1819 1500 described as Yeoman
1820 to 1840 211 described as Yeoman
1841 to 1850 55 described as Yeoman
1851 to 1858 40 described as Yeoman
This suggests to me that the term Yeoman, was to all intents and purposes was not commonly
used by 1820.
The first incidence of the term Freeholder, occurs in 1768, and up to 1858 there are only
90 Wills where the testator is described as a Freeholder.
You refer to other records I should look at. Give me a reference, and I will gladly do
"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."
In your original post you state that " A copyholder didn't hold any land at
Perhaps you would care to explain exactly what they held. Copies of "Sheet
Pembrokeshire is more fortunate, than most other counties in Wales, in that it has the
records of the Marcher Lordship of Cemaes and the Episcopal Manors of the Bishop of St.
Davids as well as other sundry collections, which demonstrate how Copyhold Tenure worked.
There were two types of Copyhold, one which could be equated to a lease for lives, and
which as such could not be traded, and the other, subject only to certain dues to the Lord
of the Manor, was equivalent to a Freehold Interest. Whether both Copyhold Tenures existed
in Pembrokeshire, I do not know.
The Bronwydd Collection show Land being surrendered to the Lord, and being Granted to a
new Copyholder. These lands were originally held by Knights Service, but this over the
years was converted to a monetary payment - generally referred to as a chief rent. For an
alienation fee the name of the new owner would be entered in the Manorial Roll, and he
would be provided with a copy of the entry as proof of title - hence copyholder. The new
owner would pay the previous owner the agreed price.
In the same way on the death of a Copyholder his successor in title would pay a mortmain
fee to have his name entered in the Manorial Roll, and again receive a copy of the entry.
By a series of Acts of Parliament, all Copyhold Land was converted to Freehold, and the
last disappeared as a form of Tenure in the 1920's.
Message Received: Aug 27 2011, 01:14 AM
Subject: [Dyfed] Re a yeoman owning land
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2011 00:29:31 +0200 (CEST)
From: yr achwr
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] YEOMAN FARMERS VS GENTLEMEN
To: cardi2(a)aol.com, dyfed(a)rootsweb.com
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My name is not Annei. I do not know who "Sundry" is and I don't care.
As for your remark that I got the information about a yeoman from Wikipedia and QED
-- then you are totally wrong.
The information I got regarding a yoeman owing land was taken from census records and
other information. maybe you should look at those records.
Annei and Sundry,
You like most of the people who have responded to this query, have either taken
your definition from Wikipedia or the OED.
Wikipedia relies heavily on the OED, and the OED is concerned with the usage of
English in England. It does not cover,
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