Many thanks for your reply. I came across the pub at Silian being mentioned in an
article( on line) as either Black or Golden Lion and this article was written around end
of 19th century - so it was probably called the lion name before it was called
Plasnewydd., and it was shut by the time of the article. I can see now it would not be
too successful if the drovers did not pass by it. Without getting too complex, my
Jones' seem to have connections in Soar y Mynydd area as well as Silian , Llanddewi
Brefi, and Llangibby. Myself and another lister Rob Weeks are getting into quite a
quandry over them being they are our direct ancestors and there are so many Jones!! The
connection may be that they were sheep farmers, and drove their sheep in winter time from
Soar y Mynydd to Silian etc. for winter pasture. Also we are investigating the freeholder
named John Jones who was at Rhiwalog near Soar y Mynydd in 1760. He was known as a
"Gentleman", and we cannot find any other freeholders in Llanddewi Brefi for
that period, except for the John Jones Rhiwalog. He could be the sameJohn Jones who later
owned Coed Mawr Llanddewi Brefi. The latter was definitely our ancestor.
I am very grateful for your interest
Yvonne----- Original Message -----
From: Jennifer Cairns
To: yvonne evans
Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Drovers Pub at Silian near Lampeter
I checked - the Silian pub was called Plasnewydd. In Slater's Directory of N & S
Wales etc., 1880. [Part 1: N & S Wales] the pub keeper was William Davies.
Only two of the census returns show Plasnewydd as an Inn
1871 where David Jones born 1841 is the Inn Keeper
then not until 1911 is it described as an Inn again.
The only Black Lion I know of in the area is (and was) in Lampeter, an important droving
town of the time. There were 5 toll gates in the town. I don't know of any Golden Lion
anywhere locally though. There is a Llew Goch, Red Lion in Tregaron and there was a Red
Lion in Trefilan/Talsarn,, and various Lions of different colours in the area - but the
nearest Golden Lion I can find is in New Quay.
Silian straggles a bit, and there might have been a pub in Creuddyn Bridge. I can't
trace one. There was a Black Lion a bit further down the road towards Aberaeron in Ystrad
(now known as Felinfach). Ystrad was on a droving road. The Silian road was a narrow path
until quite late on, and possibly the drovers used another route which wended close by,
but not past the tavern.
You may find this site helpful:- Ceredigion Public Houses, courtesty of the County
Council online local history pages
Possibly Plasnewydd Silian might have been a Black Lion in its earlier days. That I
don't know, but I very much doubt it.. as Lions seem to gather in towns!
In earlier times the next nearest pub was in Betws Bleddrws, but that was called The
Dery Arms. The road between Silian and Lampeter was dry - the first pub encountered would
have been in the town, and possibly the White Lion - I am not sure if the pub in Troedrhiw
was there in the 1830s.
Possibly, knowing the Cardi enthusiasm for irony, the house might have been jocularly
referred to as the Black Lion - one of the Jones's involved in the Black Ox bank also
lived in Silian, in Glandenys - where, interestingly enough, opposite to the mansion is a
small dwelling whose shape is reminiscent of the toll gate shape. Perhaps an early map
might show you.
From: yvonne evans <a.y.evans(a)homecall.co.uk>
Sent: Fri, 29 July, 2011 10:21:55
Subject: [Dyfed] Drovers Pub at Silian near Lampeter
Can anyone help with any knowledge of a pub at Silian near Lampeter. I believe it has
not been in existence since late 19th century. It was either "Black Lion" or
"Golden Lion" I am following up a clue that my ancestor John Jones might have
been the innkeeper at around 1830. It was a pub used by the drovers.
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