I have read your email with great interest. My Ancestors originated from
Caron in Cardiganshire . I live in Lincolnshire but visited the area a few
year ago. I was intrigued to find that even though my Ancestors lived in
Caron they were buried in Llanddewi Brefi. Someone kindly transcribed the
inscription on the Gravestone at Llanddewi Brefi church which read, on the
left side here lies Sarah Williams wife of William Williams Waenfawr year of
our lord 1828, 27 Jan 1828. On the right side also here is buried the
Honourable William Williams Waenfawr 21 Nov 1845. Having fallen into the
gravest of graves that I have been put this is where I will rest and no
matter what may come I will only rise on the day of Judgement.
I have a copy of the marriage certificate for their Daughter Margaret
Williams of Waenfawr (father William Williams) to William Williams of
Doldre (father Daniel Williams) on the 16th December 1840.
I have always wondered why William and Sarah were buried at Llanddewi Brefi
rather than Caron (Tregaron). I am hoping maybe someone could spread some
light on this.
I have never been able to trace my Ancestors back further beyond my family
above and I also have no idea why William was the Honourable William
Williams, but he could have been a local magistrate as my Great Aunt who
unfortunately passed away a couple of year ago aged 89 could remember some
reference to William being a magistrate from her Grand Mother Eleanor
Williams who was born on the 30th January 1854 (a twin to Elizabeth
Williams) to William and Margaret at Bridgend farm, Tregaron. Again I would
love to know if anyone could spread some light on this.
From: dyfed-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:email@example.com] On
Behalf Of cardi2(a)aol.com
Sent: 26 March 2011 00:01
Subject: [Dyfed] Mountain People of Cardiganshire
Hi: This is for Jennifer, Yvonne, Mike and anybody else who is interested.
Yes, I know about the book written by Rev. David Williams. I have a copy.
That is the Esgaircrwys family. I am related to that family and know it
well. Mike, you may want to get in touch with me again so that we can go
over our respective family trees.
From what I was told by my cousins, the mountain areas of
consisted of the townships of Dothie Pysgotwr and Dothie Camddwr of
Llanddewi Brefi, around Strata Florida (east of there), east of Tregaron
which means the old Drover's Road across the mountains, south from there
past Soar y Mynydd, down to what is now Lake Brionne into Carmarthenshire.
My friend who lives here in Los Angeles was born in the parish of
Llanfairarybryn. The area in Llanfair Clyodgau and parts of Llanddewi
Brefi were considered "Hill" country not mountains. My father's cousin,
Lewis Lloyd of Esgairgarn, was known as living in the "hills." Somewhere
there is a dividing line? I met a minister once in Wales who was from
Llanddewi Brefi and when he asked me the name of the farm where my family
had lived and I said, "Garnlwyd." He said, "Ah, mountain!" I
a compliment. I'm more apt to think that the area of Cilycwm,
Llanfairarybryn, Llanddewi Brefi, Tregaron (Old Caron), Ll!
anddewi Abergwesyn and Llanfihangel Abergwesyn in Becon and parts of Radnor
are mountain country. Anywhere where the census says, "so many acres of
land and sheepwalk." I've been in the country around Soar y Mynydd and
although the mountains there are not very high, they reminded me of the
Rockies. They are very rugged and the land is filled with rocks and you
can't find farm rocks.
When I told a historian about my LLoyd family living in Llanddewi Brefi in
the mountain areas, I said I had been told that the house at Garnlwyd was
250 years old. He said, "no, its 850 years old." I was told that my family
had lived in that area for generations; I can only go back to 1750. But in
1750, they carried the surname of Lloyd. I have not yet found where the
Lloyd name became a set surname.
The Lloyd family in Llanfair Clyodgau was related to me as well through my
Great Uncle Dewi Lloyd. He was my great-grandfather's brother. He died in
1900 and is buried in the New Cemetery in Llanddewi Brefi. He is still
called Great Uncle Dewi in our family. When I was there and spoke about
him, someone said, "Oh, you mean Dewi Lloyd." There are a number of Lloyd
families in that area and although I have been told that I'm related to
several of them, I can only proof three lines.
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