I am asking you to consult your collection of legal dictionaries for the meaning of the
word natural in civil law, which I presume Wills come under.
As you well know, the common useage of many words differs from the legal meaning.
Nathaniel Bailey, and Samuel Johnson's dictionary were concerned with the common
useage of words, not the Legal definition.
I must admit I find you to be rather an Enigma. You claim to know the meaning of words in
the 18th and 19th century, but since you were born on the 31st January 1947, you must have
acquired this knowledge in a previous life!
I wish you were still a Practising Solicitor, I could certainly use someone who knows,
rather than is prepared to express an opinion with so many caveats, that in the end, you
have to rely on your own judgement, or obtain a Barrister's Opinion, with more
I deal with Solicitors as part of my work, on a daily basis, and have yet to find one who
will give a categoric answer.
I presume that you must be the exception that proves the rule.
You however do appear to be selective in which posts you answer. From my perspective you
only respond when you believe you can advance your own point of view, rather than engage
in a meaningfull discussion of the topic in question.
I am quite prepared to moderate my views, if you or anyone else can provide proof of your
A bare statement that "The 'natural son' David in the will of 1837 was an
illlegitimate son, not a stepson or anything else, in 1837 everybody understood it and
everybody understands it now." is hardly what I would expect from a qualified
solicitor, the onus of proof is on you.
Perhaps (but I doubt if you will take up the challenge, as it does not suit your
preconceived ideas) you would also care to explain the reference to "the un-natural
woman Ann Myles" in the Will of Francis Bowen of Meline in 1689.
If it was not a reference to a step-mother, then she must have been the local witch, and
as her father and grandfather were Rectors of Meline, and there are no records of
Witchcraft Trials in Pembrokeshire I await your interpretation with awe.
Message Received: Sep 29 2011, 12:24 AM
From: "Richard Rose"
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] FW: Re: Natural Children
"I am prepared to concede, that it may in some cases be a coded reference to
illegitimacy, ..." says Achwr.
Coded reference indeed ! Prepared to concede ! Nathaniel Bailey's
Dictionary, 1736, gives a very succinct definition, 'Natural Children,
Bastards.' Dr Johnson says simply 'Illegitimate' and gives a quotation
distinguishing natural ftom 'legal propogations.'
The 'natural son' David in the will of 1837 was an illlegitimate son, not a
stepson or anything else, in 1837 everybody understood it and everybody
understands it now, (though I am prepared to concede one exception) ...