Thank you so much. I do have a copy of Richard's book, but I don't have the
baptismal parish for William Obra, Esther Allen, or Mary Ann Thomas. I have
looked at the IGI parish baptisms and find no mention of them. Yet, someone
long ago sent me a partial page of a parish register that listed these
children. I do think the 1817 death of William Aubrey, age 4, is the same
child. One of the reasons I'm searching for this particular parish and
curate is the spelling of the name Obra. On the 1812 marriage record of
John Obra and Elinor (Allen) at Steynton, the surname is spelled Obra. On
the 1807 marriage record of his sister, Elizabeth to Thomas Bowen of Burton,
Elizabeth signs her surname Obra, and a witness is John Obra. I have an
1809-10 assault record for John Obra, mariner. Each record had a different
parish curate or clerk.
After the family moved into St. Mary's parish, the spelling of the surname
changed to Awbrey, Aubrey and Obray. It wasn't unusual for a parish clerk
to Anglicize a name, but I'm wondering if the original spelling was actually
Obra because there are Obra/Obree families in Ireland. I may have been
barking up the wrong tree trying to associate the family with Aubreys in
I wanted to find the parish curate who recorded the births and baptisms of
William Obra, Esther Allen, and Mary Ann Thomas. Paul has been kind enough
to send me some information about William Dick. He, perhaps, was a visiting
curate, and these families for some reason waited to have their children
christened by him. I suspect they were living elsewhere (i.e., not in St.
Mary's parish, St. Michaels, Castlemartin, Steynton, Burton, etc.), and
where they were living may give me a clue as to their origins. I do have
some land tax records that show a John and Elizabeth Obray (parents of John
Obray, the shipwright) living in Rosemarket until 1813-14. When the
children emigrated to the U.S., they brought the spelling and pronunciation
Obray with them.
I really appreciate everyone's help.
Lynne in Tucson (where it appears our long, hot summer is finally over)
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 7:54 AM
To: Lynne Ingalls
Cc: Paul Vivash ; Dyfed List
Subject: [Dyfed] Fw: William Dick, Curate
According to "Pembroke people" by Richard Rose
Some of the baptisms of Richard and Esther's children were:-
Martha at Steynton Feb 11 1807
Mary at Pem St Mary's 6 Sept 1815
Elizabeth at St Mary's March 23 1817
Richard St Mary's Oct 3 1819 buried Aug 1st 1820
Richard July 15 1821
Unfortunately no mention of daughter Esther.
They were married at Steynton and wife esther was buried at St Mary's so
possibly it is one of these two that would match.
Similarly for the children of George and Eleanor Thomas baptisms shown
for St Mary's but no record of Mary Ann - however George who was born in
Castlemartin had a least one child baptised there as shown below from
Church St Michael & All Angels
BaptismDate 08 Sep 1811
There is also a note of Wellington St Congregation Chapel against George
Re John and Eleanor Obray - several children baptised in St Mary's, one
aged 2 another aged abt 5.
No date for your William but there is a burial at St Mary's on Sept 27
1817 of a William Aubrey aged 4 that could be yours.
There is a Samuel William baptised July 12 1833.
Have you seen all this info in Pembroke People?
If not there is a note of the reciprocal suing between John Obray and
William Allen in 18321 and 1828.
Also a note of the accident that led to his death . He was buried at
park St on Dec 14th 1845 after the inquest.
Hope some of this is of interest
In message <0FB75543BD644745A902C4EAE783B639@OwnerPC>, Lynne Ingalls
Good Day, Paul -
Thank you for your response. I have only a copy of a partial
baptismal records from somewhere in Pembrokeshire. On
1813), William Dick, Curate christened three
daughter of Richard and Esther Allen. Esther was born on the 2nd of
Mary Ann, daughter of George and Elinor Thomas. Mary Ann was born on
William, son of John and Elinor Obra. William was born 1 Mar.
I found it
interesting that the children were baptized sometime after their
wondered if the fathers had been out of town or out a sea at the
time of their
births. That might explain why they all waited until the 21st
of March to have
the children baptized. Or perhaps there was no minister
available to them until that date. As I think the Allen's and the
related, perhaps it was a family tradition to have their children
together. I know the Obra's were married at Steynton parish, so
perhaps this is where the baptisms took place. However, later
baptized at St. Mary's parish at Pembroke. Unfortunately, I
cannot find the parish records on-line. I believe all of these
dock workers (shipwrights, etc.) that transferred from Milford Haven
Pembroke Dock when it opened.
The baptisms were registered on 22 Sep.
From: Paul Vivash
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011
To: Lynne Ingalls ; Dyfed List
Subject: Re: [Dyfed] Fw: William Dick, Curate
In connection with the
Clergy of the Church of England Database (1540 -
1835, I was
extracting the records of the 4 Welsh dioceses.
there is no
William DICK amongst them. However, on checking
database I have found
a William DICK who was ordained Deacon 13
June 1802 at Winchester House Chapel, Chelsea by Brownlow NORTH,
Winchester and Priest by the same Bishop at Farnham Castle Chapel 19
This William DICK was the son of William DICK of St James,
and the grandson of William Dick, Governor of the "Poor Knights
matriculated 7 Jul 1795 aged 18 and attended Balliol College, Oxford
where he obtained his BA in 1799 and his MA in 1803.
I know that there are many
gaps in the ecclesiastical records for the
earlier years of the
project but I
would have expected to find him had he
served as a curate in the
early part of
the 19th century. It would be
helpful if you could be more
specific as regards
the baptismal records to
which you refer.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Lynne Ingalls"
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011
[Dyfed] Fw: William Dick, Curate
> Oops, I meant Curate, I've been reading
>too much art history of late.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynne
> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 7:41 AM
>> To: dyfed(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [Dyfed] William Dick, Curator
> Could someone remind me about William Dick, Curator at
> 1813? I am going thru a partial copy of some baptisms and
>do not have the
> name of the parish. It could have been Steynton, but I’m not
>sure, and I
> can’t find a reference to him on-line.
>> Many thanks,
> Lynne in Tucson
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