Thank you the clarification. Yes, I was aware that there are differences in Law.
I need to mention though, I found the recording , i.e. the actual phrases, words, in
Parish Registers, in Scotland, Wales , & England were similar, including
differences from Parish to Parish, County to County, changing over decades. Some
records giving miniscule details & one ( exciting), mid 1700’s film, naming the
3 generations, with occupations & place of residence.
I have, however, probably looked only at between 30 & 35, Welsh Parish films, &
extremely few Wills.
From: yr achwr [mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org]
Sent: Friday, 23 September 2011 11:35 a.m.
To: Mary Legarth; 'Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List]'
Subject: RE: "Natural Children in Wills"
Scottish Law differs in many respects from English Law.
English Law relating to illegitimacy has also changed.
At one point the Child of Parents who married within 12 months of his Birth was considered
legitimate, but less legitimate than those born after marriage.
Conversely the offspring of a marriage, who's parents divorced were therefore
I suspect that the description used in the registers, may have as such to do with the
standing of the father of the child, as who actually recorded the baptism.
Message Received: Sep 22 2011, 11:15 PM
From: "Mary Legarth"
To: achwr(a)fsmail.net, "'Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List]'"
Subject: "Natural Children in Wills"
I have certainly seen "Natural Child" in my Scottish, Baptism research.
Both parents names given, i.e. including the Mother's maiden name. In one
case, the marriage, in Banffshire, took place some months after the Baptism
of the "Natural child."
My Scottish research shows after 1855, ( registration became compulsory),
then, in Registration, the word seems to be Illegitimate , even, in my
research, when the Father was the informant.
I have also found Bastard in at least one other Scottish Parish, Baptism.
My conclusion being it all depended on the recorder of the actual Baptism.
I have found no description in Wills that I have read.
My Welsh lot, unlike my Scots, all seemed to reach the altar in time, so
avoiding any finger pointing from the Neighbours.
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Behalf Of yr achwr
Sent: Friday, 23 September 2011 8:48 a.m.
To: Dyfdd List [Dyfdd List]
Subject: [Dyfed] "Natural Children in Wills"
Correct me if I am wrong but the majority of List Members appear to equate a
"Natural Child" to an illegitimate Child.
Would anyone care to provide evidence to confirm that reference to a
"Natural Child" in a Will means that he is indeed illegitimate.
Having looked at Parish Registers, the terms used to denote illegitimacy in
the earliest entries I have seen is invarianly "bastard".
In later entries where the Father is named in the register the appelation,
"purported" or "supposed" is used.
Where no fathers name is shown the term is "illegitimate".
I cannot recall ever seeing the term "natural" in Parish Registers, and
appears to be only used in Wills.
I would appreciate your comments.
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