I originally posted this mail yesterday but haven't as yet seen it appear on the list.
An anomaly somewhere?
Thanks for bearing with me,
From: david.james <david.james2(a)libertysurf.fr>
To: DYFED-L(a)rootsweb.com <DYFED-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: jeudi 26 avril 2001 20:12
Subject: Elizabeth JAMES
My hopes of "proving" my ggrandfather's first wife and elder son were dealt
a blow when I received copies of Birth and Death certificates.
My search of the 1881 Newport census lead me to a Thomas James, born Monkton parish on
13.05.1968, although it now looks more like 19.05.1868 on the original entry. The
certificate gives the father as being George James, which is the name of my ggrand-father
alright. However I have always worked on the principal that as a blacksmith he would have
started out in that profession yet the certificate states he was a "joiner"
(Dockyard). The mother's name is given as Elizabeth James, formerly James. It may be
a coincidence but my grandfather, as a widower later married Margaret James, my
grandfather's mother in Narbeth on the 31.08.1872.
I had also found a Death/Burial entry for an Elizabeth James, for the 11.05.1686 and
thought that I had cracked the mystery. The Death certificate is for Elizabeth James, aged
31 years, wife of George James, but the date as entered is the 12 May 1868 and the
District is said to be Lambeth in the County of Pembroke. George is said to be a
"carpenter journeyman" residing in Monkton, so in that respect the two
certificates coincide. Also the cause of death is given as "Inversion of the uterus
after (looks like) Parturation. Syncope certified", which also confirms my theory
that Thomas' mother had died in child-birth, since he has a different mother to that
of my grandfather and was born 4-years before my grandfather's marriage to Margaret
The problem now relates to the dates and the profession! If Elizabeth died on the
12.05.1868, there is no way Thomas could have survived until 19.05.1868 to be born!
Likewise could a carpenter/joiner have learnt to be a smithy in such a short time, for in
the 1881 census his profession is blacksmith and in the 1891 census my grandfather was a
Is this too much of a coincidence or has anyone any records or clues that can shed light
please? I have not as yet found a marriage for George/Elizabeth James.