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I have been asked to forward this to the Dyfed list. It is indeed sad
news. I think many of you will have corresponded with Eliz in the past.
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Subject: [GLA] Eliz Hanebury
Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2019 01:20:35 -0700
From: the cohens <the.cohens.in.california(a)gmail.com>
Reply-To: Family and local history in Glamorgan, Wales
To: glamorgan mailing list <glamorgan(a)rootsweb.com>
It is with a sad heart that I wish to report that our incredibly
helpful, long time list member, Elizabeth Davis Hanebury has passed
away. Her last post to the Rootsweb mailing lists that I have found
was in April, and she passed away early in May 2019.
Since I could not find an obituary for her online, I have put up a
webpage in her memory at
She was, indeed, an amazing woman who made major contributions to our
genealogical research community. You can find links to her presence
on various genealogy sites on the above page.
I am unable to track the original source of your inscription. However, on Yahoo Answers there is a ten year old thread which suggests the following...
"His name is fragrant and his rest is so peaceful, sleep and blessed are you."
This author "doethineb" also comments... "I put "blessed are you" because "gwyn ei byd" is the beginning of each verse of the Beatitudes in Matthew chapter 5. I think that there is a connection with the Song of Solomon chapter 1 v 3: "Thine oils have a goodly fragrance; Thy name is as oil poured forth". "
Hope this helps, and thanks to “Doethineb”
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One of my distant connections was a carpenter, he was CoE (ie Anglican) but
was involved in the fitting out of many chapels in Northwest Carmarthenshire
- not bad for a English speaking churchman from the Laugharne area, so my
suggestion would be that tradesmen were drafted in to undertake the work if
the "members" had the funds to get the job done more quickly.
Hi I see your surname is Matthias have you a Gomer Mathias on your tree? Thanks Althea
On October 11, 2019, at 1:21 PM, Jen Cairns - Jen Mathias <jenmathias(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Re Chapel Builders
Dear Yvonne, what an interesting question. There is (which I just found) an
interesting web page worth a look at. At first sight I couldn't see any
references to Pembrokeshire... but the theories might inspire you !
The chapters entitled How were chapels built/Early Chapel
building/Industrial chapels/ all have very interesting suggestions. Around
me outside Lampeter there is one chapel (nothing remains, but my
gggrandparents were members) which would have been very rudimentary.. so
local people probably built it. BUT it depends on the depth of the local
pockets. On the Industrial Chapels page there is a description of the
Methodist (Calvinist) chapel in Llandinam, which was financed by David
Davies (railways!) and he used the talents of certain railway building
designers. (I was born nearby !)
On Fri, 11 Oct 2019 at 12:34, Yvonne Evans via DYFED <dyfed(a)rootsweb.com>
> Can anyone enlighten me if chapel builders in south west Wales were
> required to have any special expertise etc. In my direct roots I have
> the family of the surname Peregrine. John Peregrine born Llandysilio
> Pembrokeshire 1794 re built Llandeilo Independant chapel Llangolman
> Pembrokeshire in the 1840's., for which he received £11 ! The other
> questions I have are - a) Were stonemasons drafted in from other
> parishes to build chapels b) Did they have to be the same denomination
> as the chapel being built. John Peregrine is quite a mystery to me, as I
> do not know his chapel denomination, and he was known also as John John
> before the 1841 census(found from daughter's wedding certificate).
> However his widowed mother was Mrs Peregrine, born Llandysilio in approx
> 1770 and lived in Penffordd village, nearby...John must have been using
> the patrynomic surname from father's christian name. but why did he
> revert to surname Peregrine by 1841 census. I know he had relatives in
> Eglwyswrw parish who also had the surname Peregrine. They were weavers.
> I have been struggling with the above mystery for years. I should be
> very grateful for any help
> Yvonne Evans
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Can anyone enlighten me if chapel builders in south west Wales were
required to have any special expertise etc. In my direct roots I have
the family of the surname Peregrine. John Peregrine born Llandysilio
Pembrokeshire 1794 re built Llandeilo Independant chapel Llangolman
Pembrokeshire in the 1840's., for which he received £11 ! The other
questions I have are - a) Were stonemasons drafted in from other
parishes to build chapels b) Did they have to be the same denomination
as the chapel being built. John Peregrine is quite a mystery to me, as I
do not know his chapel denomination, and he was known also as John John
before the 1841 census(found from daughter's wedding certificate).
However his widowed mother was Mrs Peregrine, born Llandysilio in approx
1770 and lived in Penffordd village, nearby...John must have been using
the patrynomic surname from father's christian name. but why did he
revert to surname Peregrine by 1841 census. I know he had relatives in
Eglwyswrw parish who also had the surname Peregrine. They were weavers.
I have been struggling with the above mystery for years. I should be
very grateful for any help
Once again, thanks to the list, I think I have solved my problem. I have
been chasing my Bateman family who lived at Rhoslanog vach in Mathry. The
Google street map shows me Rhoslanog which was split into 2xRhoslanog vawr
and 1xRhoslanog vach at one time. Mary Williams Bateman inherited Rhoslanog
vach from her adopted father, Thomas Williams in 1829. Thomas had inherited
Rhoslanog vach from his father, John Williams in 1893 together with two
other properties in Mathry. The Mathry Land Tax records indicate that John
Williams had the tenancy of Trevellin vach from Gwynn Vaughan for 5s 11¾d.
John Williams great grand-daughter, Mary Bateman, married Thomas Richards
of Trevine and lived at Trewalter. In 1786, the widow Williams was leasing
Trewalter to William Lawrence for a total of 15s 8½d.
From the Google street map I can see Rhoslanog with Trewalter below it and
Trefelyn to the right going towards Mathry. Castlecenlas, the home of David
Bateman, was across the road and some way below Trewalter. So, while they
were not next-door neightbours, my three families (Richards, Bateman &
Williams), were certainly within easy walking distance of each other and had
known each other through several generations.
Thanks for the help. It is very much appreciated.
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Hello the list
Thanks to Bill G-J, I have been able to find John Williams as a tenant of
Trevellion vach in the Mathry Land Tax records for 1786. Can anyone tell me
anything about this piece of land? I have Googled without success.
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