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I am currently completing the indexing of Bapt 1748 ? 1796, Mrge 1748 ?
1768, and Burial 1748 ? 1796; for Pembroke St Michael and have come across
3 entries to two different families, which make reference to being interred
in quote the Store House unquote,
e.g. I quote in full, ?Ebenezer Bagshaw was interred in the Store house
the 27th of Sept 1770?.
The obvious question is, ?Does anyone have any idea what the Store House
was in relation to a Church Burial ??
From my Wills Index of all names and places mentioned in wills proven in
Pembroke St Mary & St Michael for this period there is no mention of the
Bagshaws or the other family known to have a member buried in ?The Store
House?, however this indexing is not yet totally completed around this period,
so something else may still come to light.
Pembs St Michael Indexes completed to date are Baptisms 1748 ? 1839, Mrge
1748-1768, Burial 1748-1812, if anyone needs a look up.
On a separate church theme I attended the Xmas Eve midnight service at Pembroke
St Mary?s and in a quiet moment contemplated just how many of my wifes ancestors,
at least since the English Civil War, must also have sat (or stood) close
by, to where, I was now seated, fair sent a shiver down the spine.
Happy New year to All
ORIEL a welsh widnow on a surname
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I'm new to this list but a long term Sussex lister.
I am trying to track down Richard ROWLANDS born circa 1866 Llanelli Carmarthenshire, but resident in the parish of St John the Baptist Cardiff in the 1901 census
He was maaried to Sarah A. b <1865
Bronwen E. E. b <1885> Porth Glamorgan
Miriam A. E. b <1889> Dinas Glamorgan
David E. E. b <1892> Porth Galmorgan
Lewis S. b <1897> Pontypridd Glamorgan
Richard Stanley b<1898> Pontypridd Glamorgan - my grandfather
I have been unable to find any other references to them in the 71 - 91 censuses.
Can anyone help please.
Alan Somerville Wenham
Sussex Family History Group Member 10366
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At last I have worked out my great grandparents in a mass of Welsh towns
that as a Scot I am finding it difficult to pronounce.
My Gt Grandfather Griffith Morris was b in the Quarter Bach in
Carmarthenshire. I think this is the Brynammon area.His wife is Mary J ? and they were
married in the June quarter 1891 His father was Jonas Morris whose wife is
Can sks tell me where LLangwicke (llanguicke ?)or it might be llangadock
depending on whoses writing it.
Anyone researching this family I would love to hear from you
Anerchiadau a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda oddi Smoky Mountains!
And that took a lot more effort than I expected... <wincio>
Is anyone on the list affiliated with a children's school in Carmarthen?
Mr. Barry Thacker and his tireless crew at the Coal Creek Watershed
Foundation in East Tennessee have been working on an idea to set up an
exchange of cultural information between the students at Briceville
Elementary School, located in rural East Tennessee, USA, and a school in
Wales. They could become e-mail pen-pals.
Mr. Thacker, who came up with the idea, thought a school in Carmathen would
be a good place to start looking. Carmathen is where Rees R. Thomas was
born. Mr. Thomas, an immigrant coal miner in Briceville, owned a rare book
collection that was donated to Harvard in the 1800's. Briceville students
cleaned the headstone of Rees R. Thomas in Wiley Cemetery during a field
trip last May as described at
Mr. Thacker would appreciate any ideas you might have as to how we can
contact an elementary school in Carmathen to see if they are
interested. If you have suggestions, please post them to him
What they're doing is fabulous -- and neither Mr. Thacker nor his
assistant, Carol, have a drop of Welsh blood in them. You can read all
about how they became so absorbed in the history of Welsh miners in East
Tennessee at the Foundation's Web site (http://www.coalcreekaml.com).
Diolch yn fawr iawn!
"Dyma gariad fel y moroedd" is the Welsh version of the hymn "Here is
love, vast as the Ocean". You can find the English version in the
"Redemption Hymnal" - a rather old-fashioned collection of hymns these
days- it is hymn number 85 in my copy and we used to sing it a lot in
the Pentecostal church back in the 1980s. The author of the English
words is given as H. Smart, there are four verses, and it is sung to the
tune Ebenezer (Ton y botel) or Bethany.
Redemption Hymnal was first published in 1951 by Kingsway Publications,
no ISBN number.
Blwyddyn Newydd Dda - Happy New Year
----- Original Message -----
From: "J. Gilson" <aderynyto(a)shaw.ca>
Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 4:10 PM
Subject: [Dyfed] Re: WELSH REVIVAL of 1904
> Hi Annie:
> The first verse sounds like "Dyma gariad fel y moroedd" so you might
> search the web for those words. I may have a copy of the words
> somewhere and I will see if I can find them - if no-one posts them then
> I will try to.
> It was my father's favourite hymn, which he called "Ton y botel". I
> think this was the name of the music to which the words were set and he
> told me that it had been found on a piece of paper in a bottle washed
"Ton y botel" and "Ebenezer" are alternative names for the same hymn tune by
Thomas J Williams. Click on the "Cymraeg" link at the bottom of
The first verse sounds like "Dyma gariad fel y moroedd" so you might
search the web for those words. I may have a copy of the words
somewhere and I will see if I can find them - if no-one posts them then
I will try to.
It was my father's favourite hymn, which he called "Ton y botel". I
think this was the name of the music to which the words were set and he
told me that it had been found on a piece of paper in a bottle washed
More of those family stories that I take with a pinch of salt.
>> I received a letter from one of our church members giving me some
>> background to a hymn called "There's Power of the Blood." It goes
>> like this:
>> Here is love vast as the ocean- Loving kindness as the flood- When
>> the Prince of Life, our ransom, shed for us His precious Blood. Who
>> His love will not remember? Who can cease to sing His Praise? He
>> an never be forgotten throughout heav's eternal days.
>> On the mount of crucifixion Fountains opened deep and wide- Through
>> the floodgates of God'ss mercy flowed a vast and garcious tide-
>> Grace and love like mighty rivers Poured incessant from above- And
>> heavn's peace and perfect justice kissed a guilty world in love."
>> It was apparently written during the Welsh Revivial of 1904. It
>> does not appear in any of our church's hymn books and we have never
>> sang it. The member wants to know where he can purchase it on a CD
>> or a tape. Since it was originally a Welsh hymn, can someone
>> direct to a place where a CD/tape could be purchased? Thanks, Annie
I received a letter from one of our church members giving me some background
to a hymn called "There's Power of the Blood." It goes like this:
Here is love vast as the ocean-
Loving kindness as the flood-
When the Prince of Life, our ransom, shed for us His precious Blood.
Who His love will not remember?
Who can cease to sing His Praise?
He an never be forgotten throughout heav's eternal days.
On the mount of crucifixion
Fountains opened deep and wide-
Through the floodgates of God'ss mercy flowed a vast and garcious tide-
Grace and love like mighty rivers
Poured incessant from above-
And heavn's peace and perfect justice kissed a guilty world in love."
It was apparently written during the Welsh Revivial of 1904. It does not
appear in any of our church's hymn books and we have never sang it.
The member wants to know where he can purchase it on a CD or a tape. Since
it was originally a Welsh hymn, can someone direct to a place where a CD/tape
could be purchased?
The subjects of this week's 'Retrospective Images of Wales' features, just
uploaded onto my website, are:
1. The international airport at Rhoose, near Cardiff in the county of
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in February 1998 (seven
2. Three ancient parish churches in the county of Monmouthshire:
St Cadoc's, at Llangattock Vibon Avel
St Govan's, at Llangovan
St Dingat's, at Dingestow
This feature was first shown on 'Images of Wales' in September 1998 (four
To view my Retrospective webpages, go to
Best wishes for Christmas and the New Year,
John Ball, Ystalyfera, South Wales, UK
Images of Wales: http://home.clara.net/wfha/walespic/
Welsh Family History Archive: http://home.clara.net/wfha/wales/
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And a very Merry Christmas to you, dear Gareth -- and to all of the listers!
Very best wishes,
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gareth" <gareth(a)tytwp.plus.com>
Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 1:16 PM
Subject: List admin says Merry Christmas
> Have a Merry Christmas everyone !
> Admin for the Rootsweb DYFED, CGN & PEM lists
Someone was looking for a William Roberts who was aged 27 in the 1891 Census
where he stated he was born in Honeyborough. I wonder if you have the
following 1881 entry which seem to be the man for whom you are looking.
Dwelling: 3 Gt Honeyboro
Census Place: Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Source: FHL Film 1342304 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 5414 Folio 62
Marr Age Sex Birthplace
Elizabeth ROBERTS W 44 F Rudbaxton, Pembroke, Wales
Annie ROBERTS 24 F Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales
Thomas ROBERTS 23 M Haverfordwest, Pembroke, Wales
Occ: Laborer Genl
Isaac ROBERTS 19 M Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Occ: Laborer Genl
William ROBERTS 18 M Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Charles ROBERTS 12 M Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Elizabeth ROBERTS 11 F Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Stephen ROBERTS 8 M Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Ada ROBERTS 2 F Llanstadwell, Pembroke, Wales
Rel: Gr Daur
Sorry to be late in replying but my 1881 census decided to uninstall itself
and I had a problem in getting it up and running again.
Bye for now
I believe I have already sent you listings from the Dyfed FHS indexes for the
Blethyn surname. The following is an extract of nearly two pages on various
members of the Blethyn family in "Pembroke People" by Richard Rose
Page 430 - Whitesmiths
The name Blethyn occurs constantly in records relating to Pembroke town and
elsewhere in the County in relation to metal-working. The Blethyns of the town
were clockmakers and whitesmiths. The family is a difficult one to
reconstruct from the Parish registers, but William, who lived to be 98, was probably
the father of George who in turn fathered George and Richard mentioned below.
William's will is the only one I have encountered in which cutting off with a
shilling may have been literally intended as a disinheritance rather than as a
nominal legacy. They are an unusual family in other respects, such as George
Blethyn's three marriages and fathering of ten children over forty years and
the large difference in age between William Blethyn and Richard Blethyn and
their respective wives. Maria Blethyn, who married William Griffiths, suffered
the fate of other unfortunates in the town and eescended with her useless
husband into Banker's Row.
Bye for now
Just taking this opportunity to wish you all a safe & Merry Xmas, and a very Happy New Year. I hope Santa leaves you lots of nice presents, that you have a lovely big Xmas Dinner & lots of Xmas Cheer.
Bydd cyfres deledu newydd or enw Hel Achau yn cael ei ddarlledu am 8
wythnos ar S4C o Nos Fercher 5 Ionawr am 8.25 yr hwyr. Bydd wefan i gydfynd
âr rhaglen ar gael o fory ymlaen ar
Ac os prynwch gopi o rhifyn heddiw o Golwg maen cynnwys CD Cymraeg i
An 8 part family history series called Hel Achau will be broadcast on S4C
from Wednesday January 5th at 8.25 pm (with English subtitles on text page
888). A Website to accompany the programme will be available from tomorrow
All the best
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The following message appeared on another list and I felt it might be
worthwhile passing it on -
----- Original Message -----
From: "Glyn Davies" <glyn.davies(a)medwaywelsh.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:48 PM
Subject: Amazing find of WW1 personnel records
> Queen Mary's Hospital Sidcup, UK: The Gillies Archives of plastic surgery
> Purely by accident, I have discovered an amazing archive of WW1 personnel
> material, which hitherto I have never seen listed as a source for
> For years I have been trying to locate the admission and discharge records
> of a particular Cottage Hospital in the 1930's. Two weeks ago, I
> that they were located at The Gillies Archives of plastic surgery at Queen
> Mary's Hospital Sidcup, UK.
> I had to make an appointment to view the records that I was seeking but to
> my amazement I discovered the main contents of the archives were the case
> notes of military personnel who suffered facial injuries during WW1. I
> mentioned that I had a member of my family who had a war wound to his jaw
> and within seconds of me giving his name, his medical records were
> with details of his age, rank, regiment, date of wound and the battle,
> together with the dates and nature of his operations. To my astonishment,
> was then informed that they had further information on my relative, in as
> much that whilst he was in the hospital for treatment he had learned
> embroidery and they showed me a photograph of his handiwork, which was
> embroidery of his regimental cap badge and colours.
> They have thousands of photographs of their WW1 patients, many taken
> they were wounded, but mostly of their wounds and the result after
> treatment. The archivist is keen to obtain photographs of ex-patients
> they had settled back into civilian life.
> Altogether the archives contain over 2500 records of UK, Australian and
> Zealand personnel. Most of the case notes are in their original folders
> relate mostly to soldiers, with a small number of Navy and Flying Corps
> personnel, whom had suffered burns. The records include rank, number,
> regiment and date of wounding so that the action in which they were
> can often be identified.
> I am informed that The Gillies and Macalister Archives are probably the
> important and complete collection of facial surgery records of their age
> the world and they are available to researchers by application to the
> Curator, details of which are on the following website: -
> I hope this information may of use to some WW1 researchers who are
> unaware of this research source.
> Glyndwr (Glyn) Davies,
> Chatham, Kent, UK.
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