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Susan Martin <diolch(a)netbistro.com>
.....I have looked at all my maps, checked the maps available on line
and cannot find anything even closely resembling "Parkyrhos". The
information have just states "Levi James was born in Parkyrhos, Pembroke
My "Gazetteer of Welsh Place-Names" lists a Parc-y-rhos located at grid
reference SN 5746. This places it in the parish of Pencarreg, on the
south bank of the river Teifi about 1 mile south of Lampeter. However,
it's in Carmarthenshire, not Pembrokeshire. The river Teifi is the
county boundary - south of the river is Carmarthenshire, north is
My Ordnance Survey map (Landranger sheet 146) shows it to be a property
or farm. It's precise grid reference is SN 577458. There appears to be a
Whether this is the place you're seeking I couldn't be sure. There may
be other farms with the same name.
John Ball (Ystalyfera, South Wales)
John's Welsh Family History Archive:
Julie's Welsh Surname List:
I have just come across some information on the birth place of a family I am
researching. However, I have looked at all my maps, checked the maps
available on line and cannot find anything even closely resembling
The information have just states "Levi James was born in Parkyrhos, Pembroke
Any ideas or suggestions gratefully accepted :-), please
diolch yn fawr
Prince George, B.C.
Researching: Evans, Howell(s), Lloyd, Williams, Sullivan, (O') Connor,
Misc: Davies, Jones, Beynon, Evans (again !), Wagstaffe, Duffy, James (2),
Lloyd Lewis lloyd.lewis(a)virgin.net has recently volunteered to do lookups
in a 2-vol. (book) publication:
Religious Census of 1851, a Calendar of Returns Relating to Wales By Ieuan
Jones & David Williams. This covers the whole of Wales and Monmouth,
listing each Church &
Chapel with details of the number attending, Welsh or English Services,
and remarks by the
person filling in the form as to re-building, and extracts from Lewis on
tythes and endowments
I requested a lookup myself for several parishes in Cardiganshire, and want
to share Lloyd's reply (below) so that you can get an idea of the kind of
information this source provides. I've been researching these parishes for
about 10 years, and was very pleased to learn details that aren't available
This has been posted on the All Wales page, which can be accessed from
either the Mid-Wales Lookup Exchange at:
or from the South/Wales Lookup Exchange at:
From: Lloyd Lewis <lloyd.lewis(a)virgin.net>
To: anpreston(a)msn.com <anpreston(a)msn.com>
Date: Monday, May 31, 1999 3:44 PM
Subject: LE 1851 Rel:
>Your the first, and I've just returned home from this area.
>Area 4425 acres Popn. 235 males 257 females total 492
>Penuwch Chapel Calvanistic Methodist
>Erected 1817: rebuilt 1837
>Space: other 184. standing 100
>Present. morn 150 scholars; aft 173; even.135
>Average (12 months) much the same
>Daniel Davies Deacon.
>Llwynpiod. Calvanistic Methodist
>Erected before 1760
>Space; free 30 other 40; standing 40
>Average; (12 months) general congregation from 70 to 90; scholars 70 to 52
>David Evans Deacon, Drewerfain.
>[Note; there is no return for the Parish Church; for details of the living
>Lewis; perpetual curacy, annexed to that of Llandewi-Brevi; endowed with
>£600 royal bounty; impropriators, Earl of Lisburne and H. Price Esq.
>a prebend in the collegiate church of Llandewi Brevi.]
>Blaenpenal. Church of an Ancient Chapelry
>Endowed; land £114; fees 10s.
>Space; free 80
>Present; aft 60
>Average. aft. 30
>Evan Evans. Perpetual Curate
>Lewis: Chapelry in the Parish of Llandewi Brevi; living a perpetual curacy;
>endowed with £800 royal bounty and £200 parliamentary grant; net income
>with a glebe house; impropriators, Earl of Lisburne and H Price, Esq who
>are also patrons alternately.
>C&C; 1 service in Welsh performed by the curate.
>Bettws Leiki, an ancient Chapelry of an ancient seperate chapelry in the
>parish of Llandewibrefy
>Endowed; land £50
>Space; free 92; other 22
>Present; morn. 129 + 42 scholars
>Average; (12 months); about the same
>Remarks; Many of the hearers are obliged to stand in the aisle having not
>adequate number of sitting.
>Thomas Edwardes. Perpetual Curate
>Lewis; perpetual curacy; endowed with £1000 royal bounty; net income £50;
>patron, the perpetual curate of Llandewy Brevi; erected in 1805.
>C&vC; 1 service in Welsh performed by the incumbent
>I&C; not resident
>Upper Llanfihangel-y-Croddin, or Eglwys Newydd Chapelry
>Area; 15961 acres. Popn. 660 males, 728 females total 1388
>Salem. Wesleyan Methodist.
>Space; free 35, other 175, standing 50.
>Present; morn.67 scholars; aft. 121; even. 52
>Average; morn 80 scholars; aft; 150; even; 120.
>Area 7824 acres. Popn. 541 males, 525 females; total 1066
>Ystumtien, Weselyan Methodist
>Erected 1839; enlarged 1839
>Space; free 150; other 156; standing 150.
>Present; morn. 217; aft. 210 scholars; even. 163
>Remarks; All the services here are performing in the Welsh Language.
>John Jones. Leader
>C&C = Numbers of services performed in each Church and Chapel in Wales.
>I&C = Incumbent and Curate, residences and stipends.
>Note that the spelling is as printed and varies from todays, ie Ystumteum.
>It also can vary from each submitted report.
>Hope this is of help.
I don't think there is any connection between your Mathiases and any of the
Mathiases from Camrose. Never mind. We can both continue searching other
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Thérèse Lewis - Partner
Gerry Lewis - Partner
Asterisk Design Partnership, Asterisk House
The Forty, Cholsey, Oxfordshire OX10 9NA, United Kingdom
Tel: +44 (0) 1491 652116 * Fax: +44 (0) 1491 652564
Thanks to Gerry Lewis of Asterisk Design for answering my questions relating
to place names in Abernant and Clydey.
The information is most useful and I will try to get the explorer map
What is Asterisk Design - do you have a web site?
My copy arrived last Friday,in UK, ordered by fax from the LDS in Birmingham
in mid April, cost £29.75 for all of UK .
I am still playing with it like a toy of course, good fun !
I've even read the instructions .
Looks a well put together package.
Has a National Index for "country wide name spotting" with separate cds for
each region eg Wales and Monmouth region.
Shirlene has already volunteered hers for the 4 counties on the South/West
Wales Lookup Exchange, so that makes two of us .
I would like to think that another 5 people will volunteer for this, then I
can stipulate which one to contact depending on the day of the week
............ I'm serious !
So, I'm Sunday,Shirlene's Monday..............................
That way no one person need feel reluctant for thinking that volunteering is
a potential " burden".
And obviously this method is more efficient than a free for all of random
queries and [multiple or none]responses on the lists themselves. Just my
humble opinion of course :-)
I have left the fiche based vols on for now, but since the cd based searches
are so much easier to deal with [with cut/paste] I assume they will wish to
come off fairly soon .
I feel I should also repeat my previous request that identical lookups are
NOT made to more than one volunteer, unless a response is not received from
the first one within 7 days.
South/West Wales Lookup Exchange
Gareth's Help Page
Re my Martha Mathias.
I found her in the 1851 census index
married to Levi Phillips (my gg grandfather)
She is shown as 47 born Robeston Pem
He is 40 born Moat Pem
birth certificate of one of the children shows her maiden name to be
Also in the 1851 index living in bletherston (the same as Levi & Martha)
James ( 68) and Martha (74) Mathias.
The IGI shows a Martha child of James and Martha Mathias christened
Bletherston 01 July 1821 which is too late for my martha unless she was
christened late which certainly seems to happen quite a lot.
Martha is not really from the Camrose area, - so may not be part of your
area of interest.
However there is certainly quite a lot of mobvement between Roch,
camrose and the Robeston, Clarbeston, Bletherston area once again if my
family is anything to go by.
My G gran Maria Phillips (daughter of Levi and Martha) used to walk from
near Roch to Robeston Wathen very often to visit her sister.
If you , or anyone else comes across any links to this family
(children of Levi & Martha Phillips were
John , Hannah, Harriet, Maria, Phoebe, and Daniel (who went to live in
I would be very pleased to hear and exchange any info.
>I have done extensive research on the MATHIAS families of Camrose,
>Pembrokeshire and the adjacent parishes where members of the families have
>I have eight Marthas, one Martha J. and one Martha A. The earliest birth
>date 1814 and the latest 1874. Perhaps, just perhaps, one of these is the
>one you are seeking.
>Let me have a bit more information and I can do a check.
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>Carmarthen Records Office
Hello Annie, According to John Davies' "A History of Wales", page 650,
the Welsh Language Act was passed in 1967.There are also references to
the Act in Gwynfor Evans' book "For the Sake of Wales". Hope this is of
help to you.
Hwyl. Mary Jane
I hope you`re having a nice Bank Holiday!!
Years ago I did this family tree and I was wondering if anyone ties up with
it or knows anything about these EVANS. I know they were "Chapel", in
CLARBESTON, Haverfordwest and ANN EVANS (Married to David John) is buried
in WISTON CHAPEL. (Please correct me if I am giving it the wrong totle, I
mean that it isn`t the church in WISTON). After her death DAVID JOHN
disappears, although he would have been young enough to re-marry I can find
no more trace of him. I remember trying to trace the records of WISTON
CHAPEL and finding out that the man had just died (Actually from the grave
digger digging his grave, rather embarrassing). After that I have never
traced those records and believe that they are held privately. Any ideas
All the Best
Descendants of John Evans
Generation No. 1
1. JOHN1 EVANS was born in Clarbeston. He married (1) MARGARET. (2)
ELIZABETH NARBERTH in NOT MARRIED.
More About JOHN EVANS:
Occupation: Gardener Angles Head Wiston
More About ELIZABETH NARBERTH:
Occupation: Servant, Scourfield VASH
Children of JOHN EVANS and MARGARET are:
i. JAMES2 EVANS, b. 1823.
More About JAMES EVANS:
Baptism: 7 December 1823, Wiston
2. ii. WILLIAM EVANS, b. 1826, Angles Head, Wiston.
3. iii. ANN EVANS, b. 1828, Clarbeston; d. 31 December 1891, Wiston.
4. iv. THOMAS EVANS, b. 1828.
v. BENJAMIN EVANS, b. 1831, Angles Head, Wiston.
More About BENJAMIN EVANS:
Child of JOHN EVANS and ELIZABETH NARBERTH is:
vi. MARY2 EVANS, b. 1823; m. WILLIAM MORRIS, 20 November 1845, Wiston.
More About MARY EVANS:
Baptism: 6 January 1823, Wiston
Generation No. 2
2. WILLIAM2 EVANS (JOHN1) was born 1826 in Angles Head, Wiston. He
married ELIZABETH GRIFFITHS in Wiston.
More About WILLIAM EVANS:
Children of WILLIAM EVANS and ELIZABETH GRIFFITHS are:
i. ELIZABETH3 EVANS, b. 1860.
More About ELIZABETH EVANS:
5. ii. PHOEBE EVANS, b. 1856.
iii. MARY ANN EVANS, b. 1858.
3. ANN2 EVANS (JOHN1) was born 1828 in Clarbeston, and died 31 December
1891 in Wiston. She married (1) DAVID JOHN, son of DAVID JOHN and SARAH
REYNOLD. (2) UNKNOWN BEVAN not married
More About ANN EVANS:
Baptism: 30 October 1834, Wiston, Church of England
Burial: Wiston Chapel (With Gravestone)
More About DAVID JOHN:
Children of ANN EVANS and DAVID JOHN are:
i. FRED3 JOHN, b. Angles Head, Wiston.
ii. MARGARET JOHN, b. 1853, Angles Head, Wiston; m. JAMES DAVIES, Wiston.
More About MARGARET JOHN:
Baptism: 30 October 1856, Wiston
6. iii. SARAH JOHN, b. 1857, Angles Head, Wiston.
7. iv. ROBERT JOHN, b. 1861, Angles Head, Wiston.
8. v. JOHN JOHN, b. 1864, Angles Head, Wiston; d. 4 November 1908, Swansea.
vi. MARY JOHN, b. 1868, Angles Head, Wiston.
More About MARY JOHN:
Baptism: 4 June 1869, Wiston
vii. ELIZABETH ANN JOHN, b. 1874.
More About ELIZABETH ANN JOHN:
Baptism: 14 June 1874, Wiston
viii. WILLIAM JOHN, b. 1877, Angles Head, Wiston.
Child of ANN EVANS and UNKNOWN BEVAN is:
ix. JAMES3 JOHN, b. 1848, Angles Head, Wiston.
More About JAMES JOHN:
Baptism: Wiston Chapel
4. THOMAS2 EVANS (JOHN1) was born 1828. He married (1) MARGARET in
Wiston. (2) ANN LLEWELLYN in Not Married.
Child of THOMAS EVANS and MARGARET is:
i. OMELIA3 EVANS, b. 1848.
More About OMELIA EVANS:
Child of THOMAS EVANS and ANN LLEWELLYN is:
ii. SELINA3, b. 1844.
More About SELINA:
The only St Issells,that I know of is in Pembrokeshire.
I dont think there is a St. Issells in Carmathenshire.
hope this helps. KEN
3625 Yosemite Dr.
Greeley Co.80634 USA
I am looking for links with the family name of Belt in the area of St
Issells,Carmathenshire in particular James Belt who married Esther
Matilda Davies and had their first child Evelyn in 1897, born at
Stepaside House,St Issells.The family moved to the Rhondda and then
emigrated to Australia in 1927 before some of the family returned to
>> Can anyone help my wife find her roots -
>> Her grandfather was Thomas Emrys Thomas born 19th aug 1899 Penygroes
>> he married Susan Richards born may 4th 1898 Llanelly C'mthen.
>> Great grandmother was Maria Thomas born 1868 and lived in Penygroes
>> house called "Bryn Awel".
YIPEE!! (thanks for fwding Gareth!! :-))))
Mam Bryn Awel was also my great grandmother, her son John Emlyn THOMAS
b 12 Jul 1904, Pengroes was my grandfather.
This is so exciting, I need a heart starter now!!:-))
Ruth (nee THOMAS)
Adelaide, South Australia
Every time someone asks me about my Lloyd family especially Lloyds that came
to America, I have to tell them that my father was the immigrant arriving
March 1913 on the SS. Carmania from Southhampton to New York. Daddy was born
in Mountain Ash, Glam but his father was born in Llanddewi Brefi, CGN and his
mother in Llandeilofawr, CMN.
I do have Lloyd cousins in Wales, England, Australia and California.
However, my great-grandfather, John Lloyd, had a nephew, another John, who
came to the Idaho gold fields probably prior to the turn of the 19th century.
I know little about him, except that he did marry a woman there and they had
children. How many I don't know. A number of years ago, I met a grandson
who lived in Aberdeen, WA, who has since died. His son now lives in
Hawaii. THere was also a sister who lived in Portland, OR and some other
relatives on that side who lived in the Denver area. I know next to nothing
about this family and I am also aware that the son who lives in Hawaii knows
probably less than I do. This is not my direct line.
Happy LLoyd researching.
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Pryse & Patricia,
Before you both get too excited, let me step in here for a moment! :-)
Pryse, we worked out from the marriage date you gave me that your William
MORGAN and Mary PUGH were married in the parish of Llanllwchaearn, CGN.
Patricia states her James MORGAN and his wife, Jane JONES, were born in
Aberystwyth (Parish of Llanbadarn Fawr). There is, in all probability, no
relationship between these MORGAN gentlemen, I'm afraid. Many unrelated
families from CGN ended up in Ohio and Wisconsin --- many bearing the same
forenames & surnames, prompting the adoption of middle initials or middle
names they weren't baptised with in Wales.
Patricia, it appears only the original PR for Llanbadarn Fawr includes the
years you need to locate the baptisms of James MORGAN and Jane JONES. (This
is held at the NLW Aberystwyth.) The BT's (filmed by the LDS) are missing
1774-1810 and resume at 1811. You'd be able to locate their marriage entry
and their children's baptisms, if you haven't already done so.
From: Pryse Duerfeldt <pduerfel(a)nmu.edu>
To: DYFED-L(a)rootsweb.com <DYFED-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, May 28, 1999 6:48 PM
Subject: Re: MORGAN
>Here is a note I posted recently about my Pryse and Morgan lines. My
>William Morgan married his Mary Pugh in the same Parish as your James and
>came over to the US to the same place as your James. I think that it is
>likely that they are related, perhaps brothers!
>The Pryze family lived in Tredagar, Monmouth Co., Wales and the male may
>have had the name Pryze Pryze. His son, David Pryze married Gwynfed Morgan
>in 1821 and they had 3 children: Elizabeth Pryze, b. 1822, John Price, b.
>1824, and James Morgan Pryse, b. April 15, 1826. Gwynfred died in 1832 and
>in 1817 or 1838, David emigrated to the USA with his children, changed his
>surname to Pryse and settled in at either Pomeroy (mines) or nearer
>Ravenna, OH, 1842. David died in OH in 1842.
>The Morgan family lived near Abeystwyth, Cardigan Co., South Wales.
>William Morgan was born July 2, 1802 and his wife Mary Pugh Morgan was born
>June 1803; they were married in 1820. William and Mary had several
>children, all of whom (who were born) came with them to the USA in 1837 to
>settle in Ravenna, OH: Margaret (b. March 14, 1821, married Thomas), Jane
>(b. Feb. 7, 1823, married a Jewell or Thomas), Mary (b. July 4, 1825,
>married James Morgan Pryse), William (b. Sept. 15, 1830, mariied Betty
>Davis), Catherine (b. Aug. 1832, married a Haethrode), Elizabeth (b. Sept.
>26, 1835, married a Daniels), Enoch (b. May 9, 1838, married Amy Tuttle),
>Ann (b. Oct. 21, 1840, married a Parsons), Hugh (b. Nov. 3, 1843, married
>Ann Williams), and Lewis (b Sept. 12, 1845, married a Sarah or Hattie).
>William Morgan died in 1884, his wife Mary Pugh Morgan died in 1888, both
>My great great grandparents: James Morgan Pryse (1826-1891) became a
>preacher of some repute and married Mary Morgan (1825-1903) on May 19, 1848
>in Ravenna, OH and preached in OH, KS, MN, NB and WI. I have a fair
>accounting of some their decendants. I know nothing more about James
>Morgan Pryse's sibs, Elizabeth Pryze and John Price. For the sake of
>relating to some of the family who may have researched the origins I'll
>offer a partial tracking of family. James Morgan and Mary Morgan Pryse had
>several children. William Stratton Pryse (1849-1928 in Oakland, CA)
>married Ella Turner Perkins (1852-) , March 25, 1875 and they had 5
>children. Mary Gilson Pryse (1850-1935 in Galesville, WI) may not have
>married. Elizabeth Pryse (1852-1892 in Gand Rapids, MN) married Louis
>Hobart Hawkins (-1892 in Grand Rapids, MN) Dec. 12, 1874 and they had 3
>children. Catherine Winifred "Kate" (1853-1946 in Spokane, WA) married
>Thaddeus Legrand Matthews (1844-1918 in Spokane, WA) Apr. 30, 1870 and they
>had 5 children, including my grandmother, Mary Edna (1874-1968). Annie
>Pryse (1855-1900 in North Bend, WI) married Thomas Bibby June 16, 1892 and
>they had 2 daughters. James Morgan (1859-1942 in Los Angeles, CA, a
>gnostic & theosophist) married Jessie Mayer (1902-1928 in Los Angeles, CA)
>and they had no children. Jane D. Pryse (1859-1891 in North Bend, WI) may
>not have married. John Pryse (1863-1952 in Los Angeles, CA, also a
>theosophist) never married.
>At 02:12 PM 5/28/99 EDT, you wrote:
>>I am looking for anyone who may have a connection with my MORGANS:
>> James MORGAN b. abt 1805 Aberystwyth
>> m. Jane JONES 1828 Parish of Llanbadam Fawr, Aberystwyth
>>The following children born Aberystwyth:
>> 1. David James b. 16 Oct 1830
>> 2. Henry J. b. 19 Nov 1831
>> 3. William Samuel b. 26 June 1837
>> 4. John L. b. 1839
>>To U.S. 1840 - Palmyra, Portage Co., Ohio
>>To Dane Co., Wisconsin 1848
>>The following children born in U.S.:
>> Joel W., Isaac G., Joseph Howell
>>James may have had a brother - David W. MORGAN
>>Looking forward to hear from anyone out there who connect with the above!
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Ken Willmott <Ormand(a)webtv.net> wrote:
Looks like the spelling is different, but the same place. Another
question Where would I look for the records of who the land owner was
and how big, in the years 1854 1856?
Hi again Ken,
The spelling is the same - Tyn-y-ffynnon is the same as Tyn y ffynnon
For the land records, try contacting the Gwent Record Office.
Their website is accessible from http://www.llgc.org.uk/cac/cac0023.htm
and their address, phone, and fax numbers are:
Gwent Record Office
Gwent NP44 2XH
Telephone Number +44 (0)1633 644886 and 644888
Fax Number +44 (0)1633 648382
You can get all this address info from the National Library of Wales
John Ball (Ystalyfera, South Wales)
John's Welsh Family History Archive:
Julie's Welsh Surname List:
Thank you John
Looks like the spelling is different,but the same place. Another
Where would I look for the records of who the land owner was and how
big, in the years 1854 1856?
It was my GGgrandfather William Willmot
as on this farm in those years. I think this is the farm I asked about a
long long time ago.
3625 Yosemite Dr.
Greeley Co.80634 USA
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