It is just a thought but maybe they have been asked to remove these items by the
government in Europe. So people would have to go through them and they could charge for
The reason I am saying this is cause that is what Cook county did with their records. You
use to be able to get the records thru FH and make copies and now u can’t.
It is really a shame it has to be so hard. For something so important.
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> On Jul 25, 2018, at 2:21 PM, Trish Stumpf Garcia <stumpf.garcia(a)gmail.com>
> Thanks for the update. I had noticed a month or two ago that digital
> access to the Sanktandres FB was pulled. I couldn't access the link from
> home, so went to a FHC and couldn't access it there. The only guess was
> you had to be in Salt Lake City FHL. Then within the week the link was
> removed from the catalog record. The metadata in the record still
> indicates a digital copy is available.
> What doesn't make sense to me is removing physical books from an in-house
> use only facility. Removing the online access is one thing, or digitized
> microfilmed of original records (church records)... but a published book?
> Sounds more like censorship to me.
> I am sorry to hear this is a larger problem. I have a list of books to
> check in the SLC FHL, but it will be some time before I make it back to
> Utah. I checked their catalog records after seeing your message and I did
> see one that was "On Loan". Normally I might have thought it was off
> digitized. Now, I'm not sure. Hopefully they will still be available when
> I finally get there!
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:25 AM Linda Sohl <lesohl.home(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I’ve been spending a few vacation days at the FHL, working on filling in
>> some gaps in my tree. I keep a list of all the FBs that I've looked at as a
>> reminder of where I’ve found possible family ties, and I wanted to revisit
>> a few of them in light of new info I’ve collected since my visit last year.
>> I noticed that a few books were no longer on the shelf, and I couldn’t
>> access a couple of them that had already been scanned and were previously
>> available on the computers in the library.
>> When I asked one of the librarians, I was told that the FHL had been asked
>> to remove from circulation quite a few books, mostly from Eastern Europe —
>> especially Poland, but including some of our DS books. She didn’t know the
>> specific reasons for this, or even if the same reason applied to all the
>> removals, but she said it appeared to be an ongoing issue for the FHL. She
>> speculated that some resources might re-appear behind paywalls, either at
or elsewhere. (In the case of Polish records, there is
>> apparently some rumor that the Poles are setting up their own digital
>> access portal.)
>> The FBs that I found are no longer available at the FHL are for
>> Neubeschenowa, Sanktandres, Grabatz, Sackelhausen, Doroslo, Saderlach, and
>> Sekitsch. (There may be others, but I was able to locate everything else I
>> searched for.) A removed book may show up in the FamilySearch catalog under
>> “Genealogy” for the town, but when you look at the detailed page you’ll see
>> that the book is in “off-site storage” and no link to the digitized form is
>> available. For others, there’s no listing at all any more for the book -
>> only the link to the digitized KB remains.
>> There are still many other FBs on the shelves. But it’s also occurred to
>> me that in light of the new digital privacy laws in effect in Europe, some
>> of the FBs that have included people still living might be considered
>> problematic even in non-digital form, and withdrawn from circulation.
>> The OCLC WorldCat catalog shows some of these books still available at
>> other libraries n the US, but if there is truly a broader issue related to
>> privacy or monetization, then it may also become more difficult to access
>> FBs from any source.
>> The digitized films online don’t seem to be affected by any of these
>> concerns right now. I will say, though, that I noticed that digitized KBs
>> from Romania are available only via Ancestry, unlike the Hungarian and
>> Slovakian records currently available through FamilySearch. Given how US
>> military records have been generally migrated over to Fold3, another pay
>> service separate from Ancestry, it wouldn’t surprise me if eventually all
>> the KBs are placed behind a paywall.
>> In any case, I just thought I’d give a head’s up on what I’ve discovered.
>> And I’d like to add that I’m grateful to be a part of this DS community
>> that so willingly shares knowledge.
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