Hi Darlene, Karl and mep,
Thank you all for replying to my inquirey about DNA.
Karl, as for finding our roots in DNA, for many of us, as in my case, its not the close
cousins, rather the ones that will allow us to look further back in time many generations
that are important, and certainly it is not easy since if you look at a fan chart of your
ancestors 5 to eight generations back or more, that is a lot of people that you may have
inherited genes from! Also you have to consider that going past your grandparrents you
may not inherit anything from some and more from others. Your siblings may well inherit
some that you did not. If you take the YDNA test it will fallow your paternal line and
hopefully your surname. The mtDNA which Darlene took, follows the maternal line. Men
also inherit the mtDNA but can not pass it to children -- only mothers can. My mtDNA
haplogroup is 1H1ca -- that's Norwegian. Yes my mother was a German Dietrich, but
her mother in North Dakota was of Norwegian descent. My YDNA haplogroup is R-M269. That
is a common western European haplogroup, but in my case its France, not Germany. My
father's family emigrated from the High Pyrenees, France to New Orleans, Louisiana.
Our autosomal DNA tests, like from Ancestry DNA can include many of our ancestors, not a
specific line. We are still waiting for the results of my cousin Bill Dietrich's
YDNA67 test from Family Tree DNA. This will follow our Dietrich paternal line back.
I'm hoping there may be another Dietrich who has tested somewhere that carries the
same YDNA. Of course there is another Dietrich in this group from Kischker, Jeff Rau.
We've both tested at Ancestry and have no matches. This either means we are not
related, or our relationship is very many generations back and we just did not inherit
Its a very interesting tool for your research. I highly recommend doing it. As Darlene
has done, get the oldest living members of your family tested now, while you can! Those
are the most important ancestors to test. Even if you don't test yourself, test them.
You will carry their genetics anyway. This will allow you to look further back in time
at your family!
From: Darlene Dimitrie <darlenedimitrie(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2017 3:10 AM
Cc: Kelly Dazet; donauschwaben-villages(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [DVHH] Donauschaben and DNA tessting
Ok, let me rephrase something:
On a high level, what I believe this is telling me is that the major distribution of J1c4
among the indigenous people of various regions of Slovenia/Croatia/Bulgaria match my
mother's mtDNA haplogroup subclade. Adding up the percentages is not a useful
statistic. So in the Littoral region of Slovenia, 1 out of 4 of the indigenous people
have the same subclade.
On 19 February 2017 at 22:02, Darlene Dimitrie
When my mom passed away in 2016, the funeral home offered a post-mortem DNA preservation
capsule and testing. Since this was my last kick at the can with my mom, I decided to do
it. It is done via a company that is based in Vancouver, and you get a really nice
capsule with her DNA in it. This company is actually more on the medical/legal side of
DNA testing, so although I have her results, I cannot input them into any of the more
well-known databases on the internet.
I'm in the middle of doing DNA testing for 3 members of my family, trying to reach as
many male and female lines as I can. I have 3 out of 4 of my grandparents represented
with these tests. I'm using FamilyTreeDNA. You have to understand how DNA is passed
down the male and female lines to know what exactly you are analyzing with the different
tests. I'm doing Autosomal for all, and mtDNA for one, and Y-DNA for the other two.
I find this is a very complex subject. It is far from simple to understand DNA testing
and each of the companies approaches it slightly differently, so you have to understand
what their results are saying (called admixture) as they do not all report from the same
viewpoint, i.e. where people with this DNA are today, versus, where people with this DNA
are originally from. They also use different reference sequences to compare the strands.
You also have to understand the period of time (how far back) each test analyses.
My mother is from haplogroup J, subclade J1C4. She was born in Hrastovac, Croatia. This
comes from her mtDNA test.
f you google J1c4, you can find more specific info showing that the direct ancestors of
subclade J1c4 were found in the indigenous peoples of:
Littoral region, Slovenia 24.5% > Lastovo, Croatia 19.61% > Lower Carniola, Slovenia
16.8% > Blekinge and Kristianstad, Sweden 15.37% > Basques in Spain 11% >
Bulgaria 10.2% > North Europeans from Estonia and Sweden 10.1% > Slovenia 9.8%
This subclade is from the migration path of Haplogroups L3, N, R and J for mtDNA.
Haplogroup L is the root of the mtDNA haplogroup tree.
Having said all this, I still have much to learn and only have a superficial understanding
of her results. At a high level, I believe this is telling me that about 70% of subclade
J1c4 is found in the indigenous peoples of the Slovenia/Croatia/Bulgaria area (which is
generally speaking, in proximity to the area my mother was born) Ironically, her more
recent ancestors come from further north in Europe, but somehow ended up migrating back to
where they were before.
That ubiquitous Scandinavian DNA that keeps showing up for everyone is here too, but
we're not giving away our dirndls!
I'm doing this research to learn about DNA. I don't expect to find many new
relatives or new leads in my research, but you never know! It's expensive, but I'm
really enjoying trying to figure out this giant puzzle.
On 19 February 2017 at 18:11, mep via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES
I've taken the Ancestry DNA test. Much to my surprise it came back with
31% Scandinavian. That was good because I found a cousin with even more
Scandinavian that took me back to my great grand parents. I've come to
understand that the English have a lot of Norse and Norman blood and hence
Another found cousin confirmed the suspicions that we had Jewish
ancestors. I have about 2% European Jewish DNA. I was able to connect to
my great grandmother's family and verify that she was from a Jewish line.
My cousin was from the village of Deta (Detta).where my great grandparents
There's not enough of us that have taken a DNA test, for me it was worth
On Sun, Feb 19, 2017 at 1:30 PM, Kelly Dazet via DONAUSCHWABEN-VILLAGES <
Hello all Donauschabian Listserv Members,
Since in the case of my 3 x great grandfather Johann Dietrich, the paper
trail stops in Kischker, the Batschka, Hungary, I've taken a number of DNA
tests to try to break down my Kischker "Brick Wall". I've taken the
autosomal DNA test at Ancestry DNA, which I've also uploaded to GEDmatch.
I've also taken the Y-DNA67, full mtDNA test and Family Finder test at
Family Tree DNA.
My question is, how man others here have taken DNA tests to help find lost
ancestors? (Or are considering one) Of course there are no guarantees that
one will find a distant ancestor, but sometimes it can prove to be a
helpful tool. On ancestry DNA I've found many Dietrich cousins, but they
are mostly more recent cousins, ancestors of my great grandfather Johannes
who immigrated to the Dakota Territory in 1873.
My first cousin, a Dietrich has taken the YDNA67 DNA test. YDNA follows
the paternal line, so normally this means in the German culture, it should
follow the surname -- unless there was a non paternal event (NPE). Its
something to consider, but of course there are no guarantees, and it can
Just a heads up, the DNA kits are often cheaper around the holidays or if
you go the a convention like Roots Tech (just occurs here in SLC) they are
Salt Lake City, Utah
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