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Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2003 18:40:49 -0700
From: First Families <firstfamilies(a)linkline.com>
Subject: [INDIANA] Children Sent To America Before the Mayflower
We have posted a list of early VA immigrants that should be of help to
those of you who may be having problems with establishing your early lines
This concerns the Children Ordered Sent to Virginia 1618-1642 and contains
a listing of 468 children, including 337 before the Mayflower landed in 1620!
We have also included information on the reason for these relocations here
so you can better understand why this practice happened during that time
This would represent many thousands of lines and could be a reason
why you may be having problems with your early people there.
You will find the list located on the web site at;
Once you get there you will be looking for the link Family Pages Index which
you will enter.
On the Family Index Page enter CHILDREN SENT TO VA 1618-1642.
Everyone has FREE access to all our web site and the reports contained there.
America's First Families
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Carolyn McDaniel is this lists MOM and she is a very good lady and has
a good site she had for list members on what she calls the Philidelphia
With all her list members she is branching that out as the info comes in.
Her basic research if Pennington but she helps others also and so does the
A good companion site.
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Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2003 05:04:15 -0600
Subject: AMXROADS-D Digest V03 #84
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#1 [AMXROADS] Loyalists from Hermon ["Carolyn McDaniel" <cmacdee@centur]
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Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2003 09:38:24 -0700
From: "Carolyn McDaniel" <cmacdee(a)centurytel.net>
Subject: [AMXROADS] Loyalists from Hermon
Dear Cousins, this was posted to me by Hermon, who is reduced to using his
wife's computer! Apparently it only sends to my address and not AMXROADS-L
I backed into studying Loyalists from studying Ky's early days and forts,and
then w NC. Loyalists were most often handled locally,or colony by colony.
And with huge differences. Philadelphia has been mentioned. The British
military occupied Philadelphia Sept 1777- July 1778,and some portion of the
population embraced them, and some left to march across NJ to NY with the
British military in 1778. And when Philadelphia was retaken, two [only] were
hung as turn coats,and they very minor officials. Yes,a portion of the
Quaker element was marched to Winchester,Va awhile. [With town bounds] At
Hagerstown,Md, 1776, a few Loyalists were hung, drawn, and quartered.
[CMM NOTE: I have read somewhere that one of those drawn and quartered was
Barbara Frietchie's father-in-law, and at Frederick, but couldn't quickly
find anything specific on the internet. Remember the Whittier (A Quaker)
poem, "Shoot if you must this old gray head, But spare your country's
flag," she said. " Another war, (Civil) other players, again -- Americans
against Americans. The Civil War story is hugely mythical, and Stonewall
Jackson is supposed to have nodded to Barbara Frietchie and replied, "To
you, Madam, not your flag." ]
An expert of Loyalists in Canada said in a speach to a national genealogy
convention that such and such could not have been Loyalist, because he still
owned NC land, and Loyalst land in NC was confiscated. Actually, it varied
in NC,with 1\3 of a mans land confiscated common. W NC Loyalist leaders
were Col Samuel, of Morgan,Bryan, and Capt Joseph, of Morgan,Bryan. It was
most common for Indian traders to choose the Loyalist side. In early Ky, so
far as I know, all a Loyalists land was confiscated, and used to fund
Transylvania College. I can name only two -- Alexander McKee's lands on
Elkhorn-, and Dr John Connoly's land at Louisville. Now,it's late 1774,and
[Loyalist] Va Gov Lord Dunmore's army is returning to Ft Pitt, and there,
Nov,1774, muscled Ft Pitt and sw Pa from Pa, and,1st, into Augusta Co,Va
That original group of Va officers of Augusta Co,Va at Ft Pitt was mostly
Loyalist. By 1776, when sw Pa was divided into 3 Va counties,their
influence was gone. Lord Dunmore was gone as Va Gov in 1776, and Benjamin
Franklin's Loyalist son, NJ Gov William Franklin, was going. But New York
City was under British military control from July,1776,to Nov,1783, with
Cornwallis being defeated in 1781. 500 ships moved the British from Boston
to Staten Island,in June-July 1776. 260 ships moved the British from New
York up the Chesapeake to Cecil Co, Md's Elk in July-Aug-Sept 1777.
Becalmed a month in NY harbor giving great warning.
I agree with everything that's been said regarding finding info...it does get frustrating. However, I have had wonderful luck with volunteer lookups using RAOGK or the genweb county lists of people who will look up information. I have also met some marvelous people who find way more than I ask for! I continue to correspond with a number of people who have looked up info for me -- for the most part I find genalogists to be very nice people.
I also have ancestry and would be happy to do some look ups. Why not tell the list what some of your specific roadblocks are and maybe we can come up with links you haven't thought of or help in some way.
Those of us who have medical challenges have enough to be frustrated about our hobbies should not make us "crazy" !! :-) For me that's what has been great about the Internet.
Bee in Lincoln NE
I think you are echoing what alot of us are feeling. I know that I, myself,
am on social security disability. It's my only income, and it doesn't even
cover my drugs. I've been finding it harder and harder to find info when more
sites are going to pay only. It is especially frustrating to me that more and more
newspaper archives are going to pay per view.
I learned just recently that the genealogy boards at AOL are in financial
trouble and might shut down.
Anyway, my point (do I have one?) is that genealogy has a long tradition of
helping and sharing with others. I think it's important now more than ever that
we help each other and share.
I have Ancestry at the moment, and am willing to do look ups for anyone who
doesn't have it.
Also, I was wondering how much everyone here uses search engines?
I found a new search engine www.overture.com and it pulls from some
different places so I found some good info.
Can we get some lists going for good but not typical places to search?
I am in the same boat as you, on a fixed income and pinching pennies all the
time. Also, like you, I am unable to get out due to medical reasons so I have
joined a few lists and that is where I get all my information.
9 years of research is a long time. I have been at it for about 9 months now
and so far I have been fortunate enough to get my GIVRI-GEVRY-GIVRY family
traced back to France around year 1730.
This has all been done by requesting help online and searching through all
the links I can find. Actually, doing google.com searches has turned up a lot
If we can help you find the links you need please let us know. Most of my
links are for Canada since my family is French Canadien.
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I have been researching my family for over 9 years. I have received some good information but not as much as some. I really wish there were other free sites to go to with real information. Seems like anything that has information that is really usable has to be bought. I understand that "you get what you pay for" however some of us are on fixed income and must pinch every penny.
I know I am sounding testy, and I am very frustrated. I cannot get out and run here and there.I must depend on the computer for information.
So if any of you out there know of any good sites please pass it on to the site. Maybe we can all help each other out with sites, look ups, etc.
Date: 2003/07/19 Sat PM 03:00:07 EDT
Subject: DISABLED-GENIES-D Digest V03 #27
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May I please list my names in a roll call?
MCCALL,Sam W. and Lillie>TN,MS,SC,AL
MCCALL,Eugene,Fannie and Bessie
POU[PON,POW],Henry Clarence,William Henry,Henry Patrick,Gavin>SC,AL,MS,TN
Anything sound familiar??
Marjory in SC
I must have missed this posting and would love to have it to use with my
history classes in high school. I do not know how to find the archives, could
someone help me, and could someone post the article again for me -- please send
it to me privately, so as not to disturb anyone. Thanks. Sylvia
If it ain't broke don't fix it!!!! I have and do enjoy this list so very
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Sent: Saturday, July 19, 2003 4:54 PM
Subject: [DISABLED-GENIES-L] Re: genealogy
> In a message dated 7/19/03 12:00:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
> DISABLED-GENIES-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
> << From: "Sande" <Sande(a)localaccess.com>
> To: DISABLED-GENIES-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [DISABLED-GENIES-L] genealogy
> Is this list used for genealogy? Had thought perhaps it was used for
> sharing of ways to accomplish research which might be harder for the
> to share resources, each differently-abled person contributing as they are
> able. Would someone let me know about this, please? If the use is not for
> genealogy but socializing and tidbits, one could better decide if that
> well-spent on this list or simply on others.
> Thank you >>
> If you are refering to my latest post I am sorry you feel it is not worthy
> posting anywhere. It shows that an old man thought enough of a childrens
> group to explain
> the IWO JIMA MEMORIAL and the men deplicted on it as having been real
> persons and the ages they were in defending our country.
> I suggest that you check out the archives as to what has been posted for
> list. A person does not know what to post if there are no preferences
> to the list. This list is not a real busy list as some others. List
> can ask questions, ask for help, there has not been a surname call for
> members to post whom they are researching so others might know what is
> I have yet to be chastized by the administrator as to what I have ever
> to the list. If you need help, then please ask or go to the archives and
> check to see what has been posted in the past that may be of help to you.
> list does not know of a need it can not be given.
Is this list used for genealogy? Had thought perhaps it was used for sharing of ways to accomplish research which might be harder for the disabled, and to share resources, each differently-abled person contributing as they are able. Would someone let me know about this, please? If the use is not for genealogy but socializing and tidbits, one could better decide if that time is well-spent on this list or simply on others.
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In a message dated 7/19/03 12:00:34 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
<< From: "Sande" <Sande(a)localaccess.com>
Subject: [DISABLED-GENIES-L] genealogy
Is this list used for genealogy? Had thought perhaps it was used for
sharing of ways to accomplish research which might be harder for the disabled, and
to share resources, each differently-abled person contributing as they are
able. Would someone let me know about this, please? If the use is not for
genealogy but socializing and tidbits, one could better decide if that time is
well-spent on this list or simply on others.
Thank you >>
If you are refering to my latest post I am sorry you feel it is not worthy of
posting anywhere. It shows that an old man thought enough of a childrens
group to explain
the IWO JIMA MEMORIAL and the men deplicted on it as having been real living
persons and the ages they were in defending our country.
I suggest that you check out the archives as to what has been posted for the
list. A person does not know what to post if there are no preferences posted
to the list. This list is not a real busy list as some others. List members
can ask questions, ask for help, there has not been a surname call for list
members to post whom they are researching so others might know what is needed.
I have yet to be chastized by the administrator as to what I have ever posted
to the list. If you need help, then please ask or go to the archives and
check to see what has been posted in the past that may be of help to you. If the
list does not know of a need it can not be given.
I think this list, like most lists, is for both. When people have genealogy
related things to share we do, but at times when there is a lag in the
information, people tend to chit chat. I think, basically, if you aren't happy with
the chit chat, get a conversation started. What are your views on doing research
What resources do you use?
I just came across a new search engine www:overture.com and it seems to be
really good. It pulls from some different sources than the regular ones like
Yahoo and Google.