Thanks Julia and apologies for my delay in getting back to you while I get
back online and work through a backlog of good intentions.
You can put your transcriptions of the Liddon and Warden wills on GENUKI as
e-mail attachments to Brian.Randell(a)ncl.ac.uk, perhaps with a note
explaining their relationships. I hope they helped you with the LIDDON of
Axminster. I noticed in some Google results that an Edward LIDDON MD of
Taunton later became the owner of Weycroft Manor and one of the principal
landowners around Axminster.
Regarding the parents of the William LIDDON who married Hannah Parks WARDEN,
FMP has the marriage of Matthew LIDDON and Sarah JAMES at Axminster in 1764.
Ancestry's database of Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials,
1538-1812 has the marriage of James WARDEN and Elizabeth Newell CROUCHER at
Chideock, Dorset. The PR image states that both were of that parish and
married by Licence on 3 June 1779, but does not give their marital statuses
(both of which you know to be widowed). Both signed their names.
Ancestry's transcription incorrectly calls her Elizabeth NEWELL and says
married by Banns. Ancestry's other database of England, Select Marriages,
1538-1973 also has the marriage of James WARDEN and Elizabeth Newell
CROWCHER at Allington, Dorset in 1779 (transcription only, no image).
Allington is 3 miles from Chideock so this is evidently another instance of
associated parishes with the same vicar/curate making duplicate entries.
I'm curious about James Warden RN. Despite the wealth of information on the
Warden/Liddon Family page on the freshford server, it actually says very
little about who James Warden was, where he was born, who his parents were,
or about his early naval career, none of which appears in the public trees.
And as you will have noticed, it does not mention his first wife
(Elizabet/Betty) and claims his second wife Elizabeth Newell (sic) to be
mother of the children by his first marriage, again reflecting those
incomplete public trees. The same freshford domain also has another (very
similar) Liddon/Warden page stating that James Warden RN lived at Sealands,
Charmouth, before purchasing the Manor. Wikipedia has a page on James
Warden but with less information than the freshford pages, except for his
(alleged) birth year of 1736 (perhaps taken from his tombstone?), but no
place of birth.
Both Wikipedia and the freshford site would obviously benefit from
correction regarding the two marriages, with a bit more about the LIDDON
side of the family, in order to better explain the pedigree of the various
Neither Ancestry, FMP or FamilySearch offer any credible marriage of James
Warden to any Betty or Elizabeth, the nearest being shortly after the
birth/baptism of their eldest child, which is not as convincing as you might
Ancestry: England, Select Marriages, 1538-1973 James Warden & Elizabeth
Duke at Westham,Sussex on 23 Oct 1763.
Ancestry (Dorset, England, Baptisms, Marriages and Burials, 1538-1812) also
has the burial of Elizabeth WARDEN, spouse of James WARDEN at Wyke Regis,
Dorset on 23 June 1773.
as clearly shown on the associated PR image.
There was a WARDEN family in Cranborne, Dorset, but with no online evidence
of James. Perhaps he was born and first married outside of Dorset, sometime
earlier in his naval career, but settled with his first wife at Wyke Regis
owing to its proximity to the naval base in Portland Bay.
You might discover more by posting on Dorset-L or contacting the owner of
the freshford site. Good luck with your research.
Regards - Martin Beavis
From: Julia Crawley via
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 5:11 AM
Subject: Re: [DEV] MATTHEW LIDDON
Thank you Martin and also Joy [though I have thanked Joy direst] for the
input you both have given me. I have spent the last few days sorting and
collating all I have found and think the most likely parents of Matthew
Liddon [husband of Ann Warden] is Matthew Liddon and Deborah Bunter who
married in 1748. Their son Matthew was bap. 1763 in Axminster [familysearch]
and I have the names of all their other children. I now have to find
absolute proof! I have sent away to the Dorset Record Office for Matthew
Liddon's will which was proved in 1803. Hopefully this will be for the
husband of Ann Warden and will give his profession.
His marriage which was in the Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette of 27 Aug
1789 and stated "Lately was married, at Axminster, Matthew Liddon, Esq., of
Weycroft House to Miss Ann Warden, youngest daughter of James Warden esq.,
of Charmouth". Makes me think he may not have been in the Navy at all.
If this is the correct Matthew then he would be the cousin of the Matthew
Liddon [1792-1869] of Northwest Passage fame, as another son of Matthew and
Deborah was John Bunter Liddon father of said Matthew. Hope this makes
Another problem I have is Ann Warden's older sister Hannah Parks Warden
married a Liddon as well [?cousin ?brother to Matthew] - William Liddon
[c1765-1831]. I haven't verified his parents either or his birth date. They
married 1791 at Axminster. He died 19 March 1831 at Kilmington and buried
there aged 66. [Source - Bath Chronicle and Weekly Gazette and Devon burials
on fmp]. I know this is the right William as when his wife died in Exeter in
1849 at the age of 86 she was reported in the Gentleman's Magazine as being
the relict of W. Liddon, Esq., of Kilmington Cottage.
His parents could be Matthew and Sarah Liddon [?maiden name] Married 14 Dec
William Liddon Bap. 11 Jan 1765 Axminster
Ann 18 Dec 1766
Elizabeth bap 5 Mar 1773
Sarah 3 May 1771
Ann 28 April 1775
Re the Warden/Liddon webpage - I have seen this and must agree it is so
interesting and informative. Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden are my fourth
great grandparents and their daughter Ann Warden Liddon and her husband Sir
Richard Spencer my third great grandparents. The original paintings of Sir
Richard and his wife are at the Old Farm down at Albany in Western Australia
which I have been to a number of times.
And having mentioned the Warden/Liddon page here lies another problem [and
maybe this should be directed to the Dorset list] - Ann Warden and Hannah
mother on many trees is given as Elizabeth Newell Puddicombe [1751-1798] but
I don't think this is correct. She was James Warden's second wife and they
married in 1779. She had been married firstly to James Crowcher in 1770 in
Lyme Regis. He died in 1778 and I don't think there were any children. Ann,
Hannah Parks and their brother William Weekes Wharton Warden were all born
between 1763 and 1766 when Elizabeth Newell Puddicombe would have been
between 12 and 15 years of age!! The baptismal records of Ann and Hannah
state they are the daughters of James and Betty Warden and they were
baptised at Wyke Regis, Dorset. I haven't found a bap. record for William as
yet. Interestingly there is a burial record for Elizabeth wife of James
Warden in Wyke Regis in June 1773. Who she was I don't know. And this is
where the mistake has been made with both their Christian names being
Originally what roused my curiosity about the real mother of the Warden
children was Elizabeth Newell Warden's will written in March 1778 in
Axminster and the way she mentioned the bequests eg. "I give and bequeath to
Hannah Parks Liddon wife of William Liddon of Axminster gentleman my large
India Bureau and Cabinet now at Langmoor.............that belonged to her
mother"; "also I give and bequeath to William Weekes Wharton Warden all the
clothes that were his late father's................." and "I give and
bequeath to Ann Liddon wife of Matthew Liddon of Axminster gentleman a pair
of Bracelets the one containing her late father's picture and the other his
hair a set of Tea China that belonged to her mother...........". It didn't
sound like she was talking about her own children.
Martin you mentioned putting transcriptions of wills on Genuki - very happy
to do so. I have transcribed the above and also James Warden's will. How do
I go about it?
I have just remembered a few years ago I sent an article to Genuki Devon I
wrote about my gx2 grandmother Grace Cockburn-Campbell [nee Spence] and her
connection to Devon which you may be interested in reading. They connect to
the Warden/Liddon family by a grand-daughter of Ann Warden Liddon marrying a
son of Grace and her husband Alexander Cockburn-Campbell, Thomas
Cockburn-Campbell who was born in Exeter in 1845.
I think I had better close and I thank you both very much for your help.
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 00:36:10 -0000
From: "Martin Beavis" <beavis.history(a)yahoo.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802]
To: <joy.langdon(a)btinternet.com>, <devon(a)rootsweb.com>
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Hi Julia - Your post aroused my curiosity because in my youth I used to
bike-ride in those parts and go fishing just upstream from Weycroft Mill and
Manor. Nowadays those properties are a Christian centre, wedding venue and
holiday cottages (http://www.task-centre.org.uk/index.php
). Going back in
time, the Warden/Liddon webpage that Joy found gives plenty of fascinating
detail about the marriage of Matthew Liddon and Ann Warden and their
children but nothing about Matthew himself except that he was allegedly a
Captain from Furzeleigh, Axminster. Captain of what? Does the marriage
announcement use that title (as one might expect) or just plain Mr?
I expect you have found loads by searching Google for [Liddon Axminster] but
the most relevant hits include:
Life and Letters of Henry Parry Liddon, the Canon of St Pauls, son of
Matthew's naval nephew (?)
See pages 1 & 2: "In the early part of the eighteenth century a branch of
the Liddon family migrated from Delford [Dulford], near Broadhembury, to
Axminster; and there Matthew Liddon [RN, North West Passage] was born in
It sounds like your Liddon were property-owning gentry, but there was,
however, already a Liddon family in Axminster, so you might need to
distinguish between them, or work out how they might have been related:
- pedigree of Liddon family of Axminster
Other Google results include:
- 1723, some Liddon were illiterate
- 1751 Liddon = yeoman, tanner, soapboiler
- 1794, search for several Liddon = tanner, farmer, mantua maker (mantua =
loose women's gown, as in loose gown, not loose women)
- "Furslegh, consisting of about seventy-four acres, was sold in fee, in
1809, to the tenant Mr. Amos Liddon, a surgeon of Axminster"
- Liddon, family of Axminster, 1660-1876: deeds, wills and papers (but don't
get too excited - no details online)
FMP is free this weekend - so Search Records --> dropdown --> Birth,
Marriage, Death & Parish Records
search for Last name = Liddon inc name variants, Optional keyword =
Axminster, everything else blank --> results from 1681 onwards with several
marriages within your timeframe, including some Liddon of Axminster who
married elsewhere, but no early baptisms or burials.
FMP also has Liddon BMDs in Broadhembury before 1700.
Ancestry has facsimile images of several PCC wills that might reveal family
Samuel Liddon, Clothier proved 21 Jun 1742 Axminster, Devon, England
Jonathan Liddon 17 Jan 1748 Chard, Somerset, England
Amos Liddon, Gent 14 Aug 1782 Axminster, Devon, England
William Liddon, Gent 16 Jan 1796 Axminster, Devon, England
Grace Lyddon 2 Jan 1772 Chardstock, Dorset, England
but the handwriting will be hard to read. If you can manage any
transcriptions (either full or abstracted), then it would be nice to put
them on Genuki Axminster.
Turning to less reliable options, Ancestry has about 25 public trees for the
Liddon family of Axminster and Charmouth. Beginning with the Nixon tree,
which promises most sources, and then following the Bunter name to the
Ledden tree (not the born in the USA Ledden Family Tree!) and the Shelden
tree, we derive a possible relationship, that:
Amos Liddon (b 1709) was father of Matthew Liddon/Lyddon (b 1727 or 1733)
who married Deborah Bunter (b 1730). Their children included
(1) John Bunter Liddon (1753-1811) who married Mary Hill (1753-1799), whose
children included the Matthew Liddon (b 1792) who became the naval officer
on the North West Passage expedition, and
(2) the Matthew Liddon (1763-1803) who married Ann Warden (1770-1849).
That is a superficial composite - but does seem consistent with the marriage
and baptism that Joy reported.
And finally, for a few thousand GBP you can buy Liddon family heirlooms:
From: Joy Langdon via
Sent: Monday, November 03, 2014 12:00 PM
To: Julia Crawley ; devon(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802]
There is a baptism at Axminster 27 Dec 1763, Matthew LIDDON son of Matthew
You can find other baptisms of Matthew and Deborah's children on
Familysearch which may provide the link to the nephew you mention.
There is a marriage 13 Jun 1748 Upper Cerne, Dorset Matthew Lyddon and
The Axminster Liddons did have Dorset connections. There is a Sun Fire
Office insurance document on National Archives:
"Insured Deborah Liddon, Cundlewake, Caundle bishops Dorset, widow. Other
property or occupiers: Axminster, Devon (John Bunter Liddon, farmer)"
This website says the Liddons were farmers and clothiers:
There are several references on the National Archives to Matthew Liddon,
Axminster which may refer to his father:
A bastardy bond dated 1759 refers to Matthew Liddon of Axminster, chandler.
A Deed of Poll dated 1762 and various other documents refer to Matthew
Liddon, Axminster, Tanner.
(Search the National Archives Discovery for "Liddon Axminster").
From : devon(a)rootsweb.com
Date : 03/11/2014 - 10:41 (GMTST)
To : DEVON(a)rootsweb.com
Subject : [DEV] Matthew LIDDON [c1770-1802]
I am trying to find out more about Matthew Liddon born around 1770 and died
about 1802. I don't know where he was born or where he died or who his
parents were. He may have been in the Navy.
In 1789 in Axminster he married Ann Warden daughter of James Warden of
Charmouth and his wife Elizabeth. There was mention of this marriage in one
of the newspapers of the time which stated Matthew was of Weycroft House.
They had six children - James Warden, Elizabeth, Sophia Jackson, Ann Warden,
Lucy and Matthew John.
I believe he had a nephew also called Matthew Liddon who accompanied Captain
William Parry of Northwest Passage fame and the father of Henry Parry
Liddon, Canon of St Paul's.
Hoping someone can help.
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