Thanks for your very informative posting.
I have revised my account at:
in the light of your comments.
Needless to say, I hope that it will not be too long before a definitive list indicating
exactly which of the Devon Heritage Centre's and the Plymouth and West Devon Record
Office's PR holdings are now available within FMP.
On 31 May 2014, at 13:36, Teresa Goatham wrote:
You point out that the Devon Collection is not complete. I think you may
not realise this applies too to the Plymouth and West Devon Collection;
you may wish to amend your paragraph about that to make it clear the
coverage is only partial.
It is 'incomplete' in two respects:
1. The list of parishes you link to you describe as the coverage but it
isn't, it is the PWDRO holding list - it is not the same as the parishes
covered on FMP since they may without permission. I believe this is the
case with Buckland Monachorum (though I don't have a black and white
answer to this, despite asking FMP and at the PWDRO). While Buckland
Monachorum is the only parish for which I am aware that there are no
images of the PRs, I haven't looked at all - it may be the only one or
there may be other parishes not on FMP.
2. For the parishes that are on FMP coverage is far from complete.
For example, a quick check on a parish where I am waiting to see records:
Sampford Spiney -
PWDRO show they have Baptisms 1654 to 1660, 1704/5 to 1970, Marriages
1654 to 2007, Burials 1713/14 to 1989
FMP have Baptisms the same except finishing 1913 (understandably for
privacy of the living reasons), but Marriages only from 1742-1752,
1813-c.1930, i.e. missing for about 90 years before 1742, but also a 60
year gap in the middle! Burials, with no privacy of the living issues
only go to about, finish earliest at 1911. (Perhaps the later ones just
happen to be on the same page - I haven't checked).
This is not an isolated instance - FMP only has the PR entries for
Sheepstor marrs only from 1759, though they survive from 1691. Nor is it
limited to marriages. For Marystow the baptisms on FMP start in 1714,
although the records at the PWDRO start at 1651.
I tried checking Bickleigh (near Plymouth), but that seems now a
nightmare (if there is a way of just seeing results for one of the
Bickleighs I haven't found it)! Last time I looked at all the parishes
in the PWDRO 'outer' collection that I am interested in they all
excluded the earlier records, if any (generally start on FMP sometime in
the C18th, but no consistency). My quick look now at a few churches and
nothing seems to have changed. I have fewer interests in the 'Plymouth
conurbation' but have seen FMP have some C17th records for that area.
By contrast, with the new Devon collection, a very quick look at / for
a few parishes I am interested in and the records seem either
completely absent (quite a few parishes - permission withheld or not yet
transcribed? I hope the latter but fear it may be the former) OR FMP
have transcripts and images for the full period for which records are at
the DHC (excluding, I assume, the more modern ones - didn't apply to the
parishes I looked at); a lot more straightforward.
Generally, checking coverage does seem easier than it was before FMP
significantly changed their website a couple of months ago - I think you
used to have to enter a name, and usually a date range so as not to get
a message there were too many, I've now discovered I can just select a
parish and record collection. Select order by event to see the earliest,
after selecting that the 'order by' then offers 'event descending' so
you can select that to see the latest. Luckily most of the West Devon
parishes I am interested in were pretty small, making looking for gaps
in the middle easier than in large parishes.
PS Some entries I've looked at so far are pages I've stuggled to read on
m/fiche recently - the DHC have done an amazing job of producing good
images, not just scratch free but I'm sure they must have enhanced
contrast etc as well. A really good job.
On 30/05/2014 17:51, devon-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
> Date: Fri, 30 May 2014 17:32:12 +0100
> From: "B. Randell"<Brian.Randell(a)ncl.ac.uk>
> Subject: [DEV] Devon PRs on Find My Past
> To: "<firstname.lastname@example.org>"<devon(a)rootsweb.com>
> Cc: "B. Randell"<Brian.Randell(a)ncl.ac.uk>
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> In view of todays announcement regarding Devon PRs on FindMyPast, I've updated
the relevant section of GENUKI/Devon to state:
> In 2012 PWDRO and Find My Past<http://www.findmypast.co.uk> joined forces to
provide online access to the Plymouth and West Devon Collection of parish
covering baptisms, marriages and burials from 1538 to 1911. Searching the index is free,
but accessing parish register page images requires payment. (Parishes covered: Plymouth,
Devonport and East Stonehouse, and Outer Plymouth and West
> Now (in 2014) the DHC and Find My Past have also joined forces to provide online
access to the Devon
of parish registers, covering baptisms, marriages and burials from 1538 to 1915. (As of
30 May 2014 it would apear that the complete collection is not yet available online - the
actual coverage is presently unclear.) Again searching the index is free, but accessing
parish register page images requires payment.
> This is great progress, although I have established, through trial searches (e.g.
concerning Northam, Clovelly and Pudworthy), that the new FMP collection is as yet
incomplete, but I have no idea how near it is to completion. (As happened in 2012 with
PWDRO's collection, it would seem that FMP do not provide detailed coverage
> Brian Randell
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> EMAIL =Brian.Randell(a)ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 222 7923
> URL =http://www.cs.ncl.ac.uk/people/brian.randell
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