This would seem to confirm what I have on the terms of service of the Frinshams in Thornbury. The next incumbent was Edmund Lodge in 1778 so Anthony would have been quite old by then and you might be right about appointing a Curate to do the work of this tiny Parish. I will look at the images of the PRs and see who conducted the services during the latter years of his appointment. Meg Galley-Taylor -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:devon-bounces+meg=taylor.it@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Martin Beavis Sent: 23 February 2017 23:38 To: devon(a)rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] [STRAY] Anne w/o Richard FRENCHAM of Thornbury Short reply: There is strong circumstantial evidence that the 1716 Oxford graduate from the Surrey/Berkshire family was the same Richard Frinsham who later became Rector of Thornbury, Devon, in 1745 but died a few months later. FamilySearch has the burial of Richard Frinsham in Berkshire on 9 February 1745 [Gregorian?]. But if you'd like something a tad longer . . . CCED Person Records for FRINSHAM show incomplete careers for the trio of Oxford clerics identified by Elizabeth: http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/search/index.jsp ----- Frinsham, Henry BA (1682 - 1686) Ordained Deacon 1682, Priest 1684, Curate at Kingsclere, Hants & Itcingswell (sic) & Sidmonton (all 1684?!) ----- Frinsham, Henry, MA Oxford (1717 - 1717) 1717 Curate Beaconsfield, Bucks http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/DisplayAppointment.jsp?CDBAppRedID=67 514 ----- Frinsham, Richard (1716 - 1718) Comments: Foster: son of Henry of Wargrave, Berks., cler., CHRIST CHURCH matric. 15 Mar. 1710/11 aged 18, BA 1714 Ordined Deacon 1716, priest 1718, Curate of Wargrave, Berks, 1716 ----- CCED Location Record for Wargrave, Berks shows Henricus Frinsham as Vicar from 1689 to 1736, but no listing of his son Richard to whom he evidently delegated some responsibility as Curate in 1716. http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/locations/DisplayLocation.jsp?locKey= 2130 ----- CCED Location Record for Thornbury, Devon shows brief tenure by Richard Frinsham 1745/6 (using Gregorian dates) followed by that of Anthony Frinsham (1745/6-1781) http://db.theclergydatabase.org.uk/jsp/locations/index.jsp?locUnitKey=24180 1745 Vacancy created by the cession of Thomas Robson, dated 17/5/1745 Cession: One of several ways in which an incumbent's tenure could be terminated. Although pluralism was commonplace in the Church of England until severely limited by new statute law after the end of the period of the Database, many clergymen were not eligible to hold livings in plurality and certain combinations of offices were forbidden by ecclesiastical law. When a cleric was appointed to a living that could not be held alongside his current position, the latter living was deemed void by cession. 1745 Appointment of Richard Frinsham MA, dated 17/5/1745 1745 Vacancy created by death of Richard Frinsham, dated 14/3/1745 1745 Appointment of Anthony Frinsham, dated 14/3/1745 No CCED record of any vacancy caused by the death of Anthony Frinsham but we know his will was proved in 1781. 1781 Dispensation [and appointment] of Peter Fisher MA, dated 15/11/1781 So Peter Fisher evidently had other benefices, dispensation being an exemption from ecclesiastical restrictions on plurality; see, for example, http://preview.tinyurl.com/PeterBeavisChittlehampton ----- FamilySearch has the 1665 Farnham baptism of one Anthonie Frinsham, son of Willm Frinsham, but he cannot be the same Rector Anthony who would have been 116 when he died in 1781. Perhaps there was another William II, son of William I, such that Richard and Anthony were first cousins. ----- Ancestry has the PR image Anthony's marriage: July the 24 1744 Married The Reverend Anthony Frinsham of the parish of Binfield in the county of Berks Batchelor and Alice Tubb of the parish of Saint James Westminster in the county of Middlesex Spinster by Licence. I don't find any record of his burial - possibly under some variant surname. ------ FMP 's Devon collections have Thornbury PR images which might include the occasional comment about the death or change of incumbent - the kind of thing we sometimes see in other PRs - so perhaps worth looking at around 1745 and the later 1770s. ----- While seeking dispensation, I found an online text including notes on various rectors of Chittlehampton, one of whom: "retired to Oxford, having contracted illnesses by reason of the laborious exertion of his duty in Chittlehampton. He was 70 years of age when he came to the parish. In his retirement he retained his benefice, as men overtaken by age or infirmity were obliged to do, for there was no provision for a pension until 1871. The parish was cared for by a curate, James Buckingham, a local man." The same text also includes: "Peter Beavis, 1762-94, had already been rector of the neighbouring parish of Warkleigh for ten years, and obtained a dispensation to hold Chittlehampton in plurality. At first he lived there, keeping a curate at £40 a year for Warkleigh, but later the curate - the same one for twenty-five years - served Chittlehampton. It was an example of the system of plurality which sometimes served merely to keep the incumbent rich and the curate poor, but it was part of the accepted order of the day." That was, BTW, Rector Peter Beavis Jr, son of Sr who had earlier held Warkleigh and Silverton in plurality. And Jr's patrons at Warkleigh were his mother and sister - sounds a lot like nepotism. So how did Anthony Frinsham become Curate of Ware, as declared in his will dated 1774? It is quite possible that an elderly Anthony retired from his exertions in Thornbury but necessarily retained that benefice and appointed a curate to minister in his absence, before removing to Ware in Hertfordshire where the CCED Location Record for Thundridge Chapel shows Thomas Francklin as vicar between 1759 and 1777 but with a Curate during 1776/7. Curates tend not to show up in these Diocesan records, probably because they were hired and fired by the vicar, so it is possible that Francklin was another absentee vicar who hired various curates including the old Anthony around 1774 to keep the Chapel ticking over. ---------------------------------- FAO Brian Randell for GENUKI: Chittlehampton. That online text is J H B Andrews: A note upon the state of the Church in North Devon at the time of the early Bible Christians Proceedings of the Wesley Historical Society, vol XXXV, June 1965, pp 25-31 https://biblicalstudies.org.uk/pdf/whs/35-2.pdf Despite the Wesleyan source, it addresses the allegedly "deplorably low state" of the Anglican church in North Devon, but reflects favourably on the sincerity of the Chittlehampton incumbents. Finally, CCED has run out of funding and is seeking volunteers to help complete it's coverage of the Exeter Diocese http://theclergydatabase.org.uk/exeter-diocese-help-needed/ Martin Beavis ----------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: elizgh(a)btinternet.com Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 11:06 AM To: devon(a)rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] [STRAY] Anne w/o Richard FRENCHAM of Thornbury The Oxford Alumni has a nice three generation group. Henry Frinsham , s William , of Farnham , Surrey , matric 1677 aged 17 , vicar of Walgrave, Berks . Henry s Henry , of Wargrave, Berks, cler. matric 1709 aged 18 , vicar of White Waltham , Berks , 1728. Richard, s Henry of Wargrave, Berks, cler . matric 1710-11 aged 18. Anthony Frinsham/Frensham is the son of William of Farnham , Surrey . Oddly none of them , or any Frenchams seem to have any connection with Devon at all . The Rev Anthony leaves a will , which says he is Rector of Thornbury and also Curate of Ware in Hertfordshire . The will is dated 1774 and proved by his wife Alice in 1778 in London , he leaves everything to Alice , no other person or place is mentioned . -----Original Message----- From: meg(a)taylor.it Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2017 10:29 AM To: devon(a)rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DEV] [STRAY] Anne w/o Richard FRENCHAM of Thornbury He was the Rector of St Peter's Church, Thornbury near Holsworthy in Devon but I have his name as Frinsham but have not checked any original documentation. He was there in 1745 and was followed by Anthony Frinsham 1745/6; his son or brother possibly, who stayed until 1778. It therefore looks as if Richard was very much a temporary Rector whilst Anthony wasn't available as most of our Rectors seemed to stay for long periods. I don't know anything else about them and Anthony has no gravestone in the church yard as I have recorded and transcribed all of them. Not sure if this is of any relevance but thought someone would like to know this. Meg Galley-Taylor -----Original Message----- From: DEVON [mailto:devon-bounces+meg=taylor.it@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of B. Edmonds Sent: 21 February 2017 20:55 To: devon(a)rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] [STRAY] Anne w/o Richard FRENCHAM of Thornbury Not my family Newent Churchyard, Gloucestershire. Here lyeth the Body of Anne, the Wife of Rev. Mr. Richard FRENCHAM, Rector of Thornbury, in the County of Devon, who departed this Life Sept. the 4, 1761, aged 72 years. 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