So, the 1816 MANNING-SCOTT marriage at Coldridge, Devon is looking very
unlikely. You have ruled out the MANNING family that Joy found living in
North Tawton. And a free search of FMP's Devon Baptisms (transcript only)
has that of a John MANNING, son of Charles and Mary, born and baptised in
1816, at Nymet Rowland which is the adjacent parish to Coldridge, with
optional keyword matching to Labourer which pretty much rules out his father
being a Dragoon/soldier/etc. Do you have any evidence that the 14th or 8th
Dragoons were ever in Devon?
Ancestry has the military pension listing for Chas Manning in the UK, Royal
Hospital Chelsea Pensioner Admissions and Discharges, 1715-1925, born
Wolverhampton, age 43 in 1830, private, 8th Dragoons, but the full image of
that record is on Ancestry's sister site fold3.com
(£ or free trial). I
would normally expect army and naval pension records (albeit for later
periods) to include details of the pensioner's service postings and details
of his wife and child(ren) but when you click through to fold3 the blurred
thumbnail looks like a book-keeping list of soldiers, so may not deliver any
I googled around Charles MANNING and the 8th Dragoons and discovered your
2015 thread on the NORFOLK list
including a reply by Elizabeth Howard (who is a regular on this DEVON list)
who mentions Irish Dragoons. Now Joy Langdon has found the same military
connection and has substantiated that Irish suggestion. For my
twopenn'orth, I notice that the son, George MANNING, journeyman tailor, born
1820 in Kings Lynn, lived in Wolverhampton, was named on baptismal records
as Goergii, his wife Lucy as Luciae or Louisae, and several of his children
were Latinised like Georgius, Maria and Bernardus Henricus (Ancestry,
England, Select Births and Christenings, 1538-1975). That might imply his
children were baptised in the Catholic faith using a Latin register, perhaps
because he was raised under the influence of an Irish mother, Mary. And
since George was a journeyman tailor age 21 in 1851, there might be some
record of his apprenticeship around 1814.
Ancestry and FMP do not find any Irish marriage of any Charles MANNING
between 1800 and 1820, but I'm not familiar with Irish records so might be
missing something, or available marriages might not go back that far. But
FMP's Ireland Roman Catholic Parish Marriages does find that of Chas
MANNINGTON and Mary JOHNSTON at St Michael and John's, Dublin City, in 1806.
Might that "...TON" be a mistranscription of something in a Latin register?
According to Elizabeth's text, that was the same year your 18-year-old
Charles MANNING joined the Dragoons, so perhaps that is a bit too early for
him to be marrying. Do you know where the Dragoons were in 1806?
Finally, this is a long shot, but there was a MANNING family in King's Lynn
in the early 1800s (and probably in many other places too). Might they be
related to the MANNINGs of Wolverhampton, and might Mary have lived, and
given birth, there while Charles was away with the Army? You know that
Charles' regiment was in Romney Marsh for part or all of 1820 but were they
ever posted to King's Lynn during that time, and do you know for sure
whether Charles present at George's birth? And where was he 9 months before
at George's conception -- possibly on leave after the Regiment's return from
Ireland in 1819?
Regards -- Martin Beavis
From: Michael J Hulme
Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 1:03 PM
Subject: Re: [DEV] Marriage 18 Apr 1816 at Coldridge, Devon
Thanks very much for your informative message. You are correct in
guessing that my Charles MANNING was the one in the 14th Dragoons.
I do have a copy of his records from TNA but I was not previously aware
of the British Empire web site information about the 14th Dragoons so
that was extremely helpful. I printed it out this morning and reading
through it makes you wonder how anyone survived. It helpfully tells me
that the return of the 14th to England was organised in May 1814, so
unless Charles MANNING had taken his wife with him in battle he must
have married after his return to England in mid 1814 although as you
point out he was soon after in Ireland so the marriage may have been there.
On 18/03/2017 21:19, Joy Langdon wrote:
I don't envy you that one, I have similar problems with mariner
Do you know what regiment Charles was in and where it was during the
Napoleonic wars? The marriage could even have been abroad. Soldiers
often married daughters or widows of their brothers in arms. A
Charles Manning born Wolverhampton served in the 14th Dragoons and
the 8th Dragoons, is he yours?
If this is your wife's ancestor, you may be interested in the
following which came up when I googled 14th Dragoons.
They were in Ireland from 1816 so you could try looking in Irish
records. In 1819 they sailed to Liverpool and marched to Canterbury
and then to Brighton in 1821 for a year. They then moved to
Coventry, Dorchester and Exeter and back to Ireland in 1825.
You could try investigating all the other Mannings resident in the
neighbourhood where your ancestor is living. Families did often live
in close proximity. Check out marriage witnesses where known (who
witnessed George's marriage for instance?). Sometimes you can find
siblings or brothers-in-law etc. acting as witnesses. I also noticed
that George has an orphan Bridget Aden aged 12 living with him in
1851. Have you traced her through the censuses, I haven't had much
luck. Bridget Hayden possibly?
---Original message---- From : mjhulme(a)hotmail.com Date : 18/03/2017
- 11:31 (GMTST) To : devon(a)rootsweb.com Subject : Re: [DEV] Marriage
18 Apr 1816 at Coldridge, Devon
Thank you very much for that information which I think just about
rules this family out as the family I am looking for.
Charles MANNING was living in Wolverhampton in 1851 - he was a
Chelsea (out) Pensioner. Their son was born in King's Lynn, Norfolk
in 1820 because father happened to be there with the army at the
time. This is my problem, I have no idea where they might have been
at the time they married. A further complication is that Mary died
in 1838 so I have no way of knowing where she was born.