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1. Re: Demonstrating a move from Bishops Nympton to Barnstaple
2. H.M.S. Amethyst 1801-1811, STADDON and FEWENS
3. Re: "If all the Devon baptisms were on FMP" (Sher Leetooze)
4. Change of Email Address (Peter Williams)
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 11:40:16 -0700
From: Jan Murphy <packrat74(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DEV] Demonstrating a move from Bishops Nympton to
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Getting back to the heart of Adrian's question:
On Thu, Sep 28, 2017 at 12:44 PM, Adrian Bruce <abruce6155(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Given all this, what's the best method of searching in people's
> experience? Do FMP first, work out what's missing in the northern
> parts of Devon by comparing the FMP and "Devon" RO PR lists, then
> search for each missing parish? (I'm assuming that there isn't a nice
> simple list of parishes and where to go for each....)
I addressed the "list of parishes" earlier but didn't talk about the
Whichever way you decide to start the search, the essential thing is to
write down where you've been and what you plan to do next. Source-based
software like Custodian may help, but what I've been experimenting with
lately is Scrivener, the writing studio software from Literature and Latte,
and the note-taking program Scapple. Scapple is the software that allows
you to make boxes and draw linesmen pin between and write notes. You can
import function a note from Scapple into Scrivener.
Scrivener has three different views, all interconnected -- the Editor or
Document view, the Corkboard, and the Outliner. When I am chasing
same-name families, I make a plan for what I am going to search first, then
make folders for each record group (archival arrangement) and then index
cards for each search result. As I make notes or transcriptions, I copy
them into the document. (Scrivener also allows you to link to other files,
like the parish register images, or PDFs of transcriptions.)
Once you get to the point of doing family reconstruction, you can either
move or copy the index cards to a family-based folder set. It's easy to
move items within a project, or to a different Scrivener project. Other
genealogists may prefer to keep research logs or tables. The advantage of
having index cards, too, is that you unlike attaching records in
traditional genealogy software or on an online tree, it's easier to unpick
them and rearrange them to make a new hypothesis.
I put all the general research-planning notes into the Draft folder (where
a fiction writer would write the story) and all the information from
records into the Research folder. That gives me a clear delineation
between what information came from the records themselves and what I did
for my own estimates.
For doing a place-oriented study, resources like GENUKI, the England/Wales
checklist at One Place Studies Extra
, Mark Herber's Ancestral Trails,
etc. are useful to jog the memory of what records might be out there.
Whatever plan of attack you make -- by repository, by geography, building
up the picture by record type, or whatever else -- write down as much as
you can, both about what you're doing as you go along, and what you were
planning to do next when you left off. Questions like this are the one
instance where global searching on sites like Findmypast is useful, because
you can get a head start on putting people into family groups, and see how
long a family might have stayed in the same place.
Moderator Pro Tempore
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 14:56:22 -0400
From: Margaret/Bryan Bradford <bradford(a)sympatico.ca>
Subject: [DEV] H.M.S. Amethyst 1801-1811, STADDON and FEWENS
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Thank you to Paul Hockie and Elizgh for your comments. Joseph Staddon and Maud (Mody)
Fewens/Fuins were my 5th gt grandparents. (There was another Joseph Staddon in Exeter at
the same time, an auctioneer.) I just spent a few days at the amazing Devon Heritage
Centre, but of course, I found this information after returning to Canada.
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"DEVON" //<devon(a)rootsweb.com>//Subject: [DEV] JAMES MARTIN Message-ID:
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charset="iso-8859-1" I had thought to look at the career of the Amethyst
and see if she was involved in some fracas overseas . He seems to have
remained with Amethyst until he was paid off in 1811 . I would like to
know where Amethyst was between 1801 and 1807 and after to 1811 . That
might help in finding a . the possible death of Maud between 1801 and
1807 and b. where James and Elizabeth retired to in 1811 . Presumably
you are descended from Joseph Staddon and Maud Fewins . //Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2017 18:40:01
+0100 From: "Paul Hockie"
<paul.hockie(a)talk21.com> To: <devon(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [DEV]
Second opinion please. Margaret, They would seem to be the same couple
but stranger things have been discussed on this list. The marriage is in
1801 but the allotment transcription is from the period 1803-1810. There
is a remote possibility that a James Martin left and joined. The
National Archives catalogue show a James Martin, pay book number 158
made a will in 1801 but in the pay book 1807-1808 the number is 113.
There may be a reason for this but one way to be certain would be check
the Amethyst musters from 1801 to 1810. Unfortunately this would require
a trip to London. Cheers Paul -----Original Message----- From: DEVON
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of
Margaret/Bryan Bradford Sent: 28 September 2017 17:07 To:
devon(a)rootsweb.com Subject: [DEV] Second opinion please. Hi, Please
could someone look at these 2 documents and see if I am making a wrong
assumption. The first is a marriage in Plymouth in 1801 of my 5th gt
grandmother Maud (Mody) Staddon, widow of Joseph Staddon who died in
Exeter in 1793. She married James Martin of the ship "Amethyst". The
second document is the allotment record of the ship "Amethyst" in 1807,
which give James Martin's wife as Elizabeth. Could I assume from this
that Mody died between 1801 and 1807? I have not been able to find a
death or burial for her. (She was previously Maud Fuins/Fewens who was
baptized in South Tawton in 1767.)
I would be grateful for any opinions. Margaret in Ottawa /
Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2017 15:42:30 -0500
From: Sher Leetooze <sher.leetooze(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DEV] "If all the Devon baptisms were on FMP"
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query on this portion of your posting...
/Devon FHS are also working on the Methodist registers in both N.Devon &
Exeter record offices, as well as a number of civil cemeteries- Torquay
& Ford Park Cemeteries are already on FMP thanks to Devon FHS volunteers.
I live outside the UK and can't get to the Devon FHS nor to the record
offices to read these first hand.? If all this work by volunteers is
being given to FMP, why is it then that we have to pay to read it?? It
didn't cost them anything!? I'm totally confused and saddened by this.
Sher in Ontario, Canada
> On 9/29/2017 5:14 AM, Terry Leaman wrote:
> What people need to understand is that, whilst it is a legal
> requirement for parish registers to be housed in a suitable storage
> facility, it is not a requirement to put them online. Many of the
> indexes/transcriptions on FMP that are not linked to images came from
> the Devon Family History Society and are the work of volunteers over a
> forty year period.
> Family History Societies were some of the first organisations to start
> indexing registers that were not permitted to be filmed by the LDS.
> Most of the IGI for Devon at that time was the result of filming
> published books by the likes of the Devon & Cornwall Record Society.
> The Devon FHS continues to index data not available online at this
> time- this includes the 52 parishes for which the images are in the
> members' only area of the Society website. The LDS were refused
> permission to film these but Devon FHS were allowed to. There are two
> parishes where permission has been totally refused to digitise the
> Devon FHS are also working on the Methodist registers in both N.Devon
> & Exeter record offices, as well as a number of civil cemeteries-
> Torquay & Ford Park Cemeteries are already on FMP thanks to Devon FHS
> It is a major concern that Family History Societies are losing members
> because of online resources, Family History Societies(out of public
> view) constantly liaise with Record Offices or in the case of Devon &
> Somerset with the South West Heritage Trust, to ensure that family
> history is not forgotten,?? BUT if they don't survive who will step
> forward to fill the gap? who will continue indexing those obscure
> records that would not otherwise be done- see the Devon Social records
> on FMP.
> As to transcription errors- if you could see some of the atrocious
> writing that is encountered you would understand why errors happen -
> one register we've encountered recently looks like the writing is
> upside down and back to front- IT IS honestly that bad. It is easy IF
> you are looking for a specific name in a parish. It's a lot easier to
> read something if you know what it should say.
> Terry Leaman
> Chairman - Devon Family History Society
> Registered Charity No. 282490
> Web site: http://www.devonfhs.org.uk
> Join for just ?10 a year
> ?Devon Family History Society?s strength lies in its local and
> specialist knowledge?
>> On 28-Sep-17 20:44 PM, Adrian Bruce wrote:
>> My presumed 4G-GF is Henry MARLEY (b abt 1781 Barnstaple - d1853
>> Bristol). It would seem very likely that he is the Henry Marley bap 10
>> Feb 1782 at Barnstaple to Hugh & Jane Marl(e)y. There is then a
>> distinct likelihood, I believe, that Hugh is bap 1 Jan 1749 at Bishops
>> But how can I demonstrate that (a) there are no other *plausible* High
>> Marleys around and (b) the Hugh from Bishops Nympton didn't go off
>> elsewhere? Disregarding emigration to far flung parts and alien
>> abduction, obviously.
>> If all the Devon baptisms were on FMP, then it would be OK, I could
>> just work from FMP - but they aren't. When I last looked there seemed
>> several issues:
>> 1. Barnstaple itself isn't in FMP - but that's OK, I have a PDF of the
>> Thomas Wainwright transcript of the Barnstaple registers up to 1812.
>> 2. Some of the FMP PRs are "transcripts" - anyone know if this poses
>> any serious problems? Are the transcripts just indexes, missing out
>> data, for instance?
>> 3. When I last looked there were several parishes missing altogether
>> from FMP up in that north part around Barnstaple - however, I now see
>> that most of the missing ones are on the Devon FHS site in the members
>> area. So that looks like my present to myself before long. I think
>> there may be 1 or 2 others missing as well but FamilySearch seemed to
>> include at least 1 as an index.
>> Given all this, what's the best method of searching in people's
>> experience? Do FMP first, work out what's missing in the northern
>> parts of Devon by comparing the FMP and "Devon" RO PR lists, then
>> search for each missing parish? (I'm assuming that there isn't a nice
>> simple list of parishes and where to go for each....)
>> Grateful for advice on how best to search - I'm used to Northern
>> parishes that cover bigger areas!
>> Adrian B
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