Many thanks for help and assistance trying to locate my ancestor Henry
On Sat, 2010-01-23 at 17:36 +0000, Mary Hester wrote:
Occupations entered on Emigration lists were not always true, what people
often entered was what was needed. For example many Miners entered Farmer
or Ag Labour just to get a place on a Ship! So I would not place too much
emphasis on Plumber. However, as I believe he was born in Plymouth and
obviously had very good seafaring skills I would think he had been either a
Sailor or Fisherman.
Why didn't I read this more carefully???
In Henry Bailey's obituary New Plymouth New Zealand 1886
" He was for fully twenty years a coxswain in the landing service, and
was one of the smartest hands who has ever handled a boat on this coast.
Mr. Bailey subsequently obtained employment in the local post office,
his particular avocation being to attend to the shipment and receipt of
mails. ***Previous to his arrival in Taranaki*** deceased had been in
South Australian Pilot service, and he accompanied Sir George Grey, the
then governor of that Colony, on many boating expeditions along the
That is it... the words 'previous to his arrival in Taranaki...' get it?
***BEFORE*** he came to Taranaki,
(Henry) was in the South Australian Pilot Service
We know he came in 1843 from Plymouth to (New Plymouth) Taranaki New
So - read the story of the 'South Australian' the ship wrecked
in South Australia in 1837:
The SOUTH AUSTRALIAN sailed from London under the command of Captain
and arrived in South Australia on April 22nd, 1837.
On board... Henry Bailey (crew)
The South Australian: three masted
barque, 236 tons om (155 nm) built
in 1819 at Little Falmouth as the Marquis
of Salisbury sold to the Royal Navy and
renamed the HMS Swallow
sold to the South Australian Company
and registered in London as the 'South
Australian' on 20 Oct 1836
departed Plymouth on 22nd Dec 1836
stopped at Tristan da Cuhna from 17-20 Feb 1836
stopped at the Cape of Good Hope from 1-22 Mar 1836
berthed at Kangaroo Is, SA on 22nd April 1837
under the command of Alexander Allan Jr.
The South Australian broke moorings
and was ***wrecked*** during a severe storm
in Rosetta Harbour, Encounter Bay on 8 Dec 1837
So at least one Henry Bailey - a crew member of the 'South Australia'
had sailed from
Plymouth and been wrecked in South Australia in 1837!
All crew survived...
So where was George Grey in 1837?
"In 1837, as a young man, Grey led a catastrophically ill-prepared
expedition of exploration of north-west Australia from Cape Town — only
one man of his party had seen northern Australia before. It was at that
time believed that a great river entered the Indian ocean on the
north-west of Australia, and that the country it drained might be
suitable for colonization. Grey, in conjunction with Lieutenant
Lushington, offered to explore this country and on 5 July 1837 Grey
sailed from Plymouth in command of a party of five, the others being
Lieutenant Lushington, Mr Walker, a surgeon and naturalist, and two
corporals of the royal sappers and miners.
Others were added to the party at Cape Town...."
(Graeme finds Sir George Grey's account of 'two voyages...)
excerpt from George Grey's journal:
ARRIVAL AT THE CAPE. HIRE THE LYNHER.
September 21. 1837
We came in sight of land yesterday evening, and spent the greater part
of the day in beating up
False Bay to Simonstown, where we arrived about half-past six P.M. I
instantly landed in a
shore-boat with Lieutenant Lushington and Mr. Walker; and, having first
hurried to Admiral Sir P.
Campbell with some letters I had to him, we forthwith started to ride to
Cape Town. Finding that
a vessel for our expedition could be procured here more readily and
economically than at Swan
River I determined on making this my point of departure, and after
diligent enquiry I finally hired
the Lynher, a schooner of about 140 tons, Henry Browse master, and
subsequently found every
reason to be satisfied, both with the little vessel and her commander.
EQUIPMENT AND PLANS. SAIL FOR HANOVER BAY.
My time was now wholly occupied in completing the preparations for our
I increased my party by a few additional hands of good character, and
thought myself fortunate in
engaging amongst them Thomas Ruston, a seaman who had already served on
coast under Captain King.
On the 12th October I with great difficulty got my affairs at Cape
Town so arranged as to be able to embark in the evening, and on the
morning of the 13th we
hove anchor and made sail.
The party now embarked consisted of:
Mr. Walker, our Surgeon.
Mr. Powell, Surgeon.
Corporal R. Auger, Corporal John Coles, and Private Mustard of the Corps
of Sappers and
J.C. Cox, a Stock-Keeper.
Thomas Ruston, a Sailor who had been on the coast of Australia in the
Mermaid with Captain
Evan Edwards, a Sailor.
Henry Williams and R. Inglesby, Shoemakers.
There were besides on board a captain, a mate, seven men, and a boy.
and early in December they landed at Hanover Bay. Wrecked, almost
drowned and completely lost, with Grey wounded in a skirmish with
Aborigines, they traced the course of the Glenelg River before giving up
and retiring to Mauritius to recover.
(then Grey goes back to England...)
"Before quitting the Mauritius, in August 1838, I had written to the
Secretary of State for the...." (preparing to go back to England..)
(Then Grey returns to fill a temporary post in King Georges Sound...")
...was founded in 1826, three years before the state capital of Perth.
The King George Sound settlement was a hastily-dispatched British
military outpost, intended to forestall any plans by France for
settlements in Western Australia."
Then Grey goes to Adelaide...
"After a short stay at Adelaide I finally sailed for England on the 11th
April 1840, and reached this
country in September 1840 following....)
So if we could find a passenger or crew member of a ship sailing
from South Australia to England about the same time called Henry Bailey
that would just about clinch Henry Bailey as the right fella?
Because Grey then returns from England to govern ...
Grey was the third Governor of South Australia, from 1841 to 1845.
He oversaw the colony during a difficult formative period.
Despite being seen as less hands-on than his predecessor, <...>the
colony was in good shape by the time he left to govern New Zealand
3rd Governor of South Australia
15 May 1841 – 25 October 1845..."
Graeme talking now:
'Our' Henry Bailey ships from Plymouth late 1842 arrives 1843
Marries Jane Old April 1843
No time for Henry to be in South Australia with George Grey after
arrival in New Plymouth in the Essex
Henry is having children in New Plymouth 1843 till Grey arrives in NZ
sometime after 1845
Thanks to all for your help...
Looking forward eagerly to any comments or further hints...