On Sat, 2010-01-30 at 15:37 +1300, Mirk Smith wrote:
Great news!!! Sounds like you have worked it out, where Henry Bailey
was. After re-reading the Obituary myself I can see where we made the
mistake and looking for him when it was written right there in front
Spent an afternoon on Friday in the NP Genealogy Rooms with an
research assistant helping me look up various papers, books, files
etc., and we couldn't get any further than what I already had on Henry
I will now trawl through the shipping in Australia and see if I can
find Henry Bailey sailing home to Plymouth.
All this doesn't tell us though, if John Bailey and Hannah Price are
his parents. One will have to find his Baptism for positive proof.
Which Baptism register do you start looking in, St Mary-De-Lode,
Gloucester in 1801 to where we find the family again in 1841 living in
Plymouth, Devon. It depends how many times the family moved and to
where. Were they family in Cornwall for a while and did Henry Bailey
previously meet Jane Old before sailing to New Zealand in 1843. Lots
of questions to answer.
Just some speculations here... just to sort out possible scenarios :-)
Henry Bailey is in Plymouth on December 24 1836
('South Austalian' leaves Plymouth)
This would be the last date he could father any children in England
The earliest he could father a child in England after this date would
be if he immediately sailed back from South Australia after
the arrival of the 'South Australian' in April 1837
This could be checked against all ships that left South Australia
after this date, ie even if he got an anonymous free passage,
he would have to travel on a particular ship that could get hime from
Australia back to England
This would take at a safe guess min 8 months from april 1837
so he could have had no children in the UK between
approx Dec 1836 to Jan 1838 plus nine months
ie Oct 1838
If the story of the work in the South Australian Pilot Service is true,
and he spent say a year working as a pilot in sa then it can be assumed
that he had no children in the UK between Dec 1836 to some time after
if he spent 2 years working in SA then no child in england until after
Children possible before Dec 1836
Children possible after Oct 1838 (Min)
more likely 1840 or later (max)
So Jane Old had two children when?
if between the above max and min then Henry not the father.
Essex Sailed Plymouth 3rd September 1842 - arrived Wellington January
New Plymouth 20th January
So if Mary Jane Old is listed as aged 2 in Sept 1842
she must have been born before Sept 1840
so she must have been conceived about Dec 1839 / Jan 1840
So Henry could actually have returned from South Australia in time to be
Mary Jane's father
The probable time say would be a year or two working as a pilot or with
the South Australian
Pilot Service or whatever it was called from the time of his arrival in
work two years
8 months sea voyage back to England
Meets Jane? Christmas 1840
conceives Mary Jane
Mary Jane born some time Sept 1840
Henry convinces Jane and her family to emigrate
The Old family and Henry and Jane decide to go to NZ
they all sign on and travel on the Essex
leave Plymouth 3rd Sept
So the above scenario is at least possible
Below is snipped from website about the 'South Australian' voyage and
The SOUTH AUSTRALIAN - wrecked January 1838.
After discharging it's passengers and cargo at Kangaroo Island,
it proceeded to Encounter Bay to bring a cargo of whale oil back to the
new settlement at Kingscote.
The ship was returning to the whaling station for a further shipment
when almost at it's destination it was obliged to shelter from a severe
SA REGISTER Newspaper Report (January 1838)
The loss of the SOUTH AUSTRALIAN and the SOLWAY both occurred at the
of the South Australian Company at Encounter Bay, called Rosetta
about three miles to the west of Victoria Harbour.
From the reports which have reached us, we believe that the
upon the loss of both vessels deserve a thorough investigation.
Rosetta Harbour is at best but an unsafe anchorage for a single vessel,
but there is no security for more at the best season of the year.
The SOUTH AUSTRALIAN after waiting for upwards of a fortnight
in daily expectation of the arrival of the SOLWAY, was caught in a
broke from her moorings, drove over the reef and was totally lost.
The crew and passengers happily escaped.
The greatest praise is due to Captain MacFarlane for his conduct on this
A few days afterwards the SOLWAY (with Captain Pearson) and the JOHN
PIRIE (with Captain Martin)
arrived and anchored at the same place. In another very severe southerly
the SOLWAY broke from her moorings, went onto the same reef
which was fatal to the SOUTH AUSTRALIAN and became a total wreck.
The JOHN PIRIE was driven on shore in a better position and was expected
to be got off.
RECOLLECTIONS OF PIONEER LIFE, shared with us by Kingsley Ireland
descendant of Jane Dobney, named as Jane Gregory, who sailed on the
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN as a 10 year old child. Original written by Mrs Jane
Dobney, January 10, 1902. Published in the Geo News, bi-monthly
Newsletter of The Royal Geographical Society of Australasia, (South
Australian Branch) Inc. Volume 2, No 5, Nov/Dec 1995.
"I was born in North Devonshire on the 16th May, 1827, and should I live
till May of next year will be seventy-seven years of age, and, with the
exception of failing sight, am in possession of all my faculties. I well
remember the stir in my native country when the S..A. Company were
seeking emigrants for the new land, and of the active part taken by
“Squire” Angas and his agent, Mrs. Lillecrapp, through whose influence
largely my stepfather was induced to emigrate. We came out in the “THE
SOUTH AUSTRALIAN”, formerly called “THE SWALLOW” which was chartered by
the S.A. Company.
We sailed from Plymouth on December 24th, 1836. The ship’s longboat was
divided into three compartments; a Durham bull was carried in one end
and a sick woman in the other; while at one stage of the voyage little
Jane Gregory had a baby brother born in the same longboat. We called at
the Cape of Good Hope, where we could plainly see fires on land that
were lit to keep wild beasts away from Cape Town, in fact, only a week
before we called a lion came right into the town. A fellow-passenger
with us was John Germein, who subsequently became head pilot, and after
whom Port Germein was named.
We landed at Kangaroo Island. Our stay extended to eighteen months,
during which time the emigrants lived for the most part in tents, and
suffered considerable privations. Meat, of course, was a very scarce
article of diet, and consisted of beef and pork, so salty that it had to
be soaked in water and then parboiled in more water to take some of the
salt out, and the water was also very scarce, for we often had to soak
and parboil this salt junk in sea water.
Our bill of fare was made up of bandicoot, dried mutton bird, and mutton
bird’s eggs, with an occasional iguana. Added to this, the flour which
was American, and in cakes, was so hard as to require cutting with a
tomahawk, and afterwards rolled and sifted before it could be cooked.
There was only one store on the island, close to the wharf, the property
of the S.A. Company, and at times various articles of household use went
up to famine prices. The first cask of salt butter that came to the
island was sold at 4/per lb., eggs were 6d. each, soap 2/., and potatoes
6d and 7d per lb. At one time flour was short, and a ration of very hard
and dry ship biscuits, that had to be soaked for hours before they were
ready for consumption, was served out.
Although only a child, I well remember many ships calling at the island
during my stay there. On leaving the island, and after landing at the
“Old Port”, the journey up to North Adelaide, where I stayed with my
mother, had to be made on foot. There was then only one building on the
north side of Hindley Street. Bowden was a series of ponds or swamps,
where those who were inclined for sport could get as much duck-shooting
as they desired.
Blacks were very numerous and troublesome. Two were hanged near the old
iron stores on the north side of the Torrens for the murder of white
men. They were also great thieves, and would take clothes off the line
even in the daytime.
I have clear recollections of Governor Hindmarsh and Colonel Light, and
also of the first Judge who was always called “Mr. Jeff”, and was very
eccentric, wearing his trousers so short as to display several inches of
sock above his boots.
During our stay at North Adelaide the first Government House, a
weatherboard affair, was burnt down, and the first exploring party under
Sturt was organized and started during the same period. I remember very
vividly the procession down King William St. In 1845 I was married to Mr
Dobney, a builder by trade, who built the first chapel at Kapunda. I
have lived to see many changes, and perhaps may see many more."