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FMP has just added a new collection of Britain, Royal Navy, Navy Lists
1827-1945, comprising PDF images of the frequently published volumes of
There is a similar collection on Ancestry(ï¿½/$) but right now FMP appears to
be free to search and view. Hope that's not a mistake. Just enter a surname
in Keyword Search, e.g. Toy, that gives 341 results alongside a more
specific search dialog that finds 8 results for Charles Toy. He was the
Budock-born seaman who eventually became a Chief Officer in the Coastguard.
Though Ancestry has managed to restore Rootsweb mailing list, progress on restoring the many Rootsweb websites is still apparently a “work in progress”. Hence many of the links that GENUKI/Devon provided to these websites are still broken. However, hope is in sight for the owners of these websites, according to the following posting, kindly passed on to me by Vicki Lindsay:
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School of Computing Science, Newcastle University, Newcastle upon Tyne, NE1 7RU
EMAIL = Brian.Randell(a)ncl.ac.uk PHONE = +44 191 208 7923
URL = http://www.ncl.ac.uk/computing/people/profile/brianrandell.html
Would like to Thank Terry and the folks at the Devon Family History Rooms
for their help whilst I was visiting Devon and Exeter a few weeks ago.
Terry and the People at the Society were very helpful in pointing me in the
right direction for my GIBBINGS family - found a few new names.
Elizabeth & Carl Wright
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Can anyone confirm her parents? Findmypast lists her baptism at Stowford in 1722 but I don't subscribe. (You can't subscribe to everything!) I have conflicting notes of her parentage from many years ago. Many thanks.
Tel: 0115 933 2633
Mob: 07906 537699
I agree, it was probably Millbrook, just across the River Tamar in Cornwall.
Millbay as well as Millbridge (in Plymouth) where I lived, were sometimes
confused with Millbrook. Our post was sometimes delivered there by mistake
Devon FHS 4019
From: Dr C.J. Burgoyne <cjb19(a)hermes.cam.ac.uk> On Behalf Of Chris Burgoyne
Sent: 24 July 2018 15:27
Subject: [DEV] Re: Toy family Devon
All of Plymouth is close to Cornwall - its just across the river Tamar.
But I doubt if you went to Millbay for a picnic. It is now, and was then,
the area of industry and poor housing around the commercial Millbay docks.
There are though many small beaches and coves, often only accessible by boat
around Mount Edgecumbe across the Tamar, and there is a place called
Millbrook nearby that is now popular with boaties. Many of these would be
accessible by a rowboat and a competent oarsman.
Thank you for your prompt replies and interesting advice. I suppose
that concealing that X is A's child and X and Y are siblings does hinder
identity theft. I just wondered whether it was more than that.
With regard to Ancestry Trees you have made me check "my
preferences"which I haven't done for some time and I think that I find a
new format. I thought that I had chosen to conceal my entire Ancestry
Tree and allow only the "Hints" that a name might be in another's Tree
or public record. I can't find the concealing - non-Public - option
and it seems to say that the Living concealment is automatic which Jon
says is a button. I also observed before that it concealed 100 or 125
years, I now am slightly concerned that my Tree, all be it a skeleton
only for Hints purposes, is public. I don't include sources and
detailed information which I keep securely at home in general. I
wonder how other people are informed of Hints from my Tree without
showing them the family around that Hint. Perhaps they are not. I do
wish the nerds in Oregon would stop fiddling. I suppose they call it
Thanks - David Webb
I the the Jamaica reference is likely to come from the Ancestry drop-down menu for place. It's likely that if it was Kingston Surrey for example, someone was a little careless in not noting that Kingston, Jamaica came up by default. I've seen many examples of this.
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1. Re: Living People in Trees - Ref, Contact Details for Tim Geary17/7.2018
2. Re: Living People in Trees (Len Heyward)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 23:10:58 +0100
From: Jonathan Frayne <jon.frayne(a)gmail.com>
Subject: [DEV] Re: Living People in Trees - Ref, Contact Details for
To: "devon(a)rootsweb.com" <devon(a)rootsweb.com>
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Am I right in assuming that you have ‘ticked the box’ on whatever websites you use to say you don’t want living people to be disclosed? Ancestry, for example, then assumes that everyone under 100 years of age is still alive, unless you have supplied burial/death information, and then doesn’t give any information away (I have an inkling it is actually about 125 years old). I expect I am going to be shot down in flames over that, but that is my understanding. Would that sort your problem (or have sorted it in the past)?
I too publish my trees in order to encourage further information and I get it, too. Mostly garbage, but the occasional nugget. I don’t care about the name collectors and cutters and pasters, personally. If they want to claim my great grandmother as their maiden aunt, then let them, and more fool them. They could do it from the transcripts anyway, but they are choosing to be even more distant from reality than that. I am constantly amazed that when I check others’ trees supposedly linked to mine, that they do not record sources, at least on-line they don’t. Maybe they have an encyclopaedia on everyone on paper but certainly not on the stuff they record on-line! My straw poll would say that about one in three ‘records’ I see on-line has a source documented, and then mostly to other trees and not an actual record! I think part of the problem may be in Ancestry/FTM. If you click on a ‘hint’ leaf you get a link show up to all the trees that have that person (or a reasonable facsimile thereof) on it plus all their (Ancestry’s) records. If you go directly to Web Search then you only get the Ancestry records and their algorithms are really quite sophisticated (IMHO) and they usually get the right person and sometimes I am amazed at what they find. Then, of course, the cutters and pasters get their hands on it and it all goes pear shaped! I have just looked and there is my g’g’grandfather listed on someone’s tree as having died in Jamaica when he actually died in Surrey (as the other half dozen trees listed show). Hey ho! More fool that one person. What does irritate is that they must have had some reason for saying he died in Jamaica, but no source listed so no follow up possible as to who that Jamaican was!
I’m rambling so off to bed now!
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
It is substantially about the protection of privacy of living people, and attempting to reduce the all too prevalent incidence of identity theft.
Need I explain further!
From: David Webb via DEVON <devon(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: 22 July, 2018 5:03 AM
Cc: David Webb <david.webb625(a)tiscali.co.uk>
Subject: [DEV] Living People in Trees - Ref, Contact Details for Tim Geary 17/7.2018
Living People in Trees
Although my trees are on one or two sites in order to attract their searches for contacts I hope that they are not public because I do not like name collectors, cut and pasters, with next to no, or even no relationship, who copy and claim my Mother as a relative. I understand that researchers may not want to name relatives, dead or living. However could you please explain, as you will to these miscreants when you find them, why it is never acceptable to include living people in a public tree, even if they give their permission. Is it that you record particularly confidential information in the tree, such as, perhaps addresses, telephone numbers, National Insurance Numbers, Passport Numbers, etc? Things I would not. I ask, even though I hope I am cautious, in case I am missing something important.
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Living People in Trees
Although my trees are on one or two sites in order to attract their
searches for contacts I hope that they are not public because I do not
like name collectors, cut and pasters, with next to no, or even no
relationship, who copy and claim my Mother as a relative. I understand
that researchers may not want to name relatives, dead or living.
However could you please explain, as you will to these miscreants when
you find them, why it is never acceptable to include living people in a
public tree, even if they give their permission. Is it that you record
particularly confidential information in the tree, such as, perhaps
addresses, telephone numbers, National Insurance Numbers, Passport
Numbers, etc? Things I would not. I ask, even though I hope I am
cautious, in case I am missing something important.
As you probably know
some of our friends have been instrumental in putting Parish Registers etc.
on the Devon List (and others).
This came in supposedly from them, the e-mail address is correct but
does not not seem to be functioning. It came up with a background of a "census" and
then asked to go into it via Excel, which we did not. Therefore, I think it is a scam.
So if they have my e-mail address they most probably
Edna - sunny Ottawa
Just for your interest....
I'm still slogging through the Marleys of Bishops Nympton and the
surrounding parishes. I'm currently working with a John Marley of
South Molton, who has children baptised there 1682 - 1700 OS. It looks
like his first wife is a Mary, buried at South Molton 20 Dec 1685
(described as wife of John on her burial). Then, as mother to the
later children, his second wife appears to be Kat, buried 25 June 1706
at SM (also described as wife of John on her burial).
I couldn't see any marriage in the Devon coll'n on FMP for John & Kat
(seemed like an easier marriage to look for than John & Mary). Just in
case they married elsewhere, I tried Ancestry where I found this
Name: John Marly
Marriage Date: 26 May 1686
Marriage Place: Saint Sidwell,Exeter,Devon,England
Spouse: Kathern Taper
FHL Film Number: 916840
That of course(?) is straight out of Family Search, probably out of
the old IGI. It didn't seem likely to be him - it's some 28m between
Exeter and South Molton. St. Sidwell isn't on FMP for that period, but
it is in the Devon FHS Members Area,so I did check to find that the
entry (image 211 of 389) reads:
May 26 John Marly & Kathern Taper(?) Southmolton
South Molton - exactly what I'm working with! So this guy, for
whatever reason, married his second wife right down in Exeter. Which
means that I might have to widen my searches a bit.... I wonder what
he was doing that far from home.... (And thanks again to Devon FHS!)
Canterbury Marriage License's
27 Feb 1679-80 John Tremain, of the Middle Temple, London, Bachr, 30 &
upwards, & Frances Davye, of the City of Exon., Spr, abt 24, with consent of
her mother Margaret Davy, Widow; alleged by John Hungerford, one of the
Proctors of the Arches; in the Cathedral Church of St Peter in Exon., or
Newton St Cyres, or the Chapel of Sandford, Devon.
10 Feb 1679-80 Anthony Ellery, of Plymouth, co. Devon, Apothecary, Bachr,
abt 24, & Elizabeth Cartwright, of the same, Spr, abt 24; alleged by Robert
Berry, of Plymouth afsd, Gent.; at St Andrew in Plymouth, Stoke Damerell, or
Plympton Morrice in the sd co.
Some more bits and pieces
Canterbury marriage License's
9 Dec 1679 [blank] Crosse, of Taunton, co. Somerset, Clerk, Bachr, abt 35,
& Sarah Simpson, of Culliton, co. Devon, Spr, abt 25 & at her own disposal;
alleged by Rowland Simpson, of St Martin in the Fields, Middx., Scrivener;
at Taunton or Collington [sic] afsd.
This is a long shot but hoping someone has this Frank D. EDMUNDS and can
tell me a wee bit about who his parents might be ... please.
I do not wish to pay for a certificate because he is most likely not linked
to my family, but one never knows.
Frank D. EDMONDS married 1943 Lambeth R/D to Violet Edith BRADLEY who I
think was born 1923 the d/o George Alfred BRADLEY born Malta and Ethel May
PERRY born Staffs [Mother SQUANCE].
I think Ethel died 1991 at Mainstone Ave, Plymouth.
I am pretty sure she married 2nd George Frederick Thomas BEER 1958 in
Plymouth, he died 2 days before Violet at 98 Mainstone Ave on 9 Dec 1991
I have not been able to find a suitable Frank D. Edmonds, no birth and no
Was Violet a widow when she married George F. T. BEER?
I am looking for contact details of another 'researcher', Tim Geary, who may have made contact with other Devon members. He has published at least one tree on the MyHeritage website which includes private details of my HEYWARD family of Devon and also my living descendants. Some or all of the information is quite clearly from my data which has never been published on any website or any genealogy organization. This is quite disturbing!
The level of detail is certainly not from any 'official' record.
Any assistance greatly appreciated.
LDS has allowed the Western Australian Genealogical Society as
FamilyHistoryWA and many other non LDS centres access to images
available at Family History Centres.
Yes, many of the digitalised images are not indexed but are original
documents and searchable. The best way to access them is through the
FamilySearch site. Click on Search and Cataolog then enter a place. All
documents available for that place will be displayed. Click on the
category of choice, select the records to be searched and then the item.
A series of icons will indicate whether available on line, at a family
history centre or only in Utah.
Much easier than ordering films, using transcriptions with human errors
or paying on other sites. Yes, sometimes early writing is challenging
but practice makes progress.