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They gave me help with my ancestor who died at sea.
Mike in freezing Droitwich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Anne Peat" <anne.peat(a)bigwindows.demon.co.uk>
Cc: "Devon L" <devon(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [DEV] Death at Sea 1873- Master mariner
> Hi Georganne,
> My great grandfather was lost at sea with his fishing smack out of
> Ramsgate in 1914. It is assumed he either was wrecked on the Goodwin
> Sands or his boat hit a mine.
> There was no death certificate, but my brother obtained a record of
> his assumed death, with the name of the boat, from the Registry of
> Shipping and Seamen.
> RSS no longer hold all their historic records.
> There is a page on finding records of merchant seamen at
> As you are probably aware most of them are now in the National
> Archives. Hope this helps
> On 30 Nov 2008, at 15:58, barlow Georganne wrote:
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My great grandfather was lost at sea with his fishing smack out of
Ramsgate in 1914. It is assumed he either was wrecked on the Goodwin
Sands or his boat hit a mine.
There was no death certificate, but my brother obtained a record of
his assumed death, with the name of the boat, from the Registry of
Shipping and Seamen.
RSS no longer hold all their historic records.
There is a page on finding records of merchant seamen at
As you are probably aware most of them are now in the National
Archives. Hope this helps
On 30 Nov 2008, at 15:58, barlow Georganne wrote:
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barlow Georganne wrote:
> One of my great x 2 grandfathers was William Rodd, a master mariner
> born in Appledore, Devon in 1829. According to the probate of his
> will he died "at sea off Scilly Island on 3rd February 1873".
> There does not appear to be a record of his death, either in the
> marine section of the GRO or at the TNA - I have contacted both of
If he's not in the regular GRO indices or in the Deaths at Sea section
on www.findmypast.com that would suggest he was lost overboard and his
body not recovered. Where a body isn't recovered, no death cert can
> Apart from
> going to TNA to check BT153( wages and effects of deceased seamen)
> or Bristol archives for an newspaper obituary, I have no other
Obituaries were optional as were death notices and would have had to
have been paid for by his family.
One of my ancestors "disappeared" off a ship in 1918. I found the death in
the Marine Register when the Family Records Centre was at Islington. I
presume TNA has the registers now.
I obtained a death certificate - even though no body was found.
The certificate shows the longitude and latitude where he disappeared.
With regards to a possible death certificate - the probate was granted to his widow, Mary at Bristol Registry on 7th March 1873. ie just over a month after his death. I assume that indisputable proof of death was required for that so the death must have been reported to the relevant authorities.
It seems that a trawl of TNA is the only option now and/or the Guildhall Library to check the Lloyds register of Masters. Myabe in the New Year...........
--- On Sun, 30/11/08, Firebird <sparrer(a)gmail.com> wrote:
From: Firebird <sparrer(a)gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DEV] Death at Sea 1873- Master mariner
To: "Devon L" <devon(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, 30 November, 2008, 2:28 PM
> Perhaps a lawyer type amongst us can confirm something I sort of know
> is, that without a body (viz. no actaul proof of death) then the law
> requires a certain period of time to elapse before any will can be
> and the estate divvied up. I think that the period of time was and maybe
> still is at least seven years. As Georganne says there was a probate, when
> and where was this granted? There may be a lot of legal paperwork
> before this estate could be settled and that may have some interesting
> about what was supposed to have happened to this poor fellow.
It is seven years stil *but* under certain circumstances that can be
shortened. For instance, there were a number of people who died as a
result of the Boxing Day tsunami a few years ago but whose bodies were
never recovered. Since it was clear what had happened to them and the
chances of recovering the bodies was slim at best, death certs were
This may have happened to Georganne's master mariner. There was
obviously sufficient grounds for Angela's man to have been determined
to have died for a death cert to be issued.
I have two distant cousins who were washed overboard from a ship. One
body was recovered, the other wasn't. There's only a death cert for
the one who was recovered. I found out about the other from TNA.
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One of my great x 2 grandfathers was William Rodd, a master mariner born in Appledore, Devon in 1829. According to the probate of his will he died "at sea off Scilly Island on 3rd February 1873". There does not appear to be a record of his death, either in the marine section of the GRO or at the TNA - I have contacted both of them.
I have also written to the Scilly isles FHS but they coudn't help either. I realise that he may have died of natural causes or an accident rather than a shipwreck. I do not know the name of his ship at the time - the last reference to him I can find was in the American Lloyds Shipping Register in 1871 when he was master of the Ocean Pearl. In 1872 there was a different master. I believe that he may have been on a voyage between the Eastern seaboard of North America and Bristol, his home port. He had done many similar voyages over the preceding 13 years, according to the Bristol Mercury newspapers held at the British Library via the Gale newspaper trial site.
He was issued with his Master Certificate of competency in 1853 no 9305
How can I obtain more information about his death? Apart from going to TNA to check BT153( wages and effects of deceased seamen) or Bristol archives for an newspaper obituary, I have no other ideas.
Hello, My name is Stuart Wright, and am researching the following names in Devon.
HARRIS Robert born abt 1801, a Tailor in Upton Torquay in 1840's
LABBATT Charles born abt 1804 Braunton, Married Phillis ROBBINS in 1825 at Braunton, dissapeared from records after about 1840.
ROBBINS, SCAMP, MOCK, HILL and LEAR
Any information greatly appreciated.
Thanks in advance....................Stuart Wright
Ada Mary GRIFFIN (1865-1945), a Londoner, married my 3rd cousin thrice removed, Henry ROWE (1862-1947) in New Zealand in 1890 where they had 3 sons and a daughter.
Any information will be appreciated.
3 separate GREGORY in my tree:-
1.. Eliza GREGORY born in Tamerton Foliot circa 1853. She married in Plymouth in 1890 Walter KING, born in Bickleigh circa 1863, and they had a son Walter in Tamerton Foliot in 1897.
2.. Reg GREGORY who married Adele Ruby LANG. Adele was born in Queensland Australia in 1919.
3.. Robert Eugene GREGORY who was born in California in 1938. She married Marilyn BAWDEN and had 2 daughters and a son.
Any one with contacts please get in touch.
My great*4 aunt, Martha HELSON (b 1795 Broadwoodwidger) married John GREENAWAY there in 1813 and had a daughter Ann (1813) and a son William (1814).
Ant connection with your family?
I have 2 GERRY connections by marriage:-
1.. My great*4 aunt Ann HELSON (born 1802 in Broadwoodwidger) married there in 1819 Thomas GERRY, Carrier & Farmer, (born 1798 in Ashwater). They had 6 sons and 1 daughter all born in Holsworthy.
2.. First cousin twice removed, Jane HEGGATON, was born in North Hill circa 1855 and married John GERRY, from Germansweek, in Launceston in 1887.
Any information on either of these 2 couples would be appreciated.
I have 2 distinct families of DODD in my ancestry - which I refer to as the Tavistock DODDs and the Topsham DODDs -they may of course be related further back.
The ones which may link with you are the Tavistock DODDs:-
1.. John DODD married Mary SAUNDERS (c1735-c1781) in 1860 - they were my great*4 grandparents and had 7 daughters between 1761 and 1779 followed by 1 son in 1781. After Mary's death John marries a much younger woman much to the his daughters' annoyance.
2.. Their youngest daughter, Susanna DODD (1777-1858) married Peter PIKE (1770-1839), a sailor, in Portsmouth in 1805. They, my great*3 grandparents, moved to Devonport soon afterwards
3.. Their daughter Mary Ann PIKE (1818-1896) married Joseph William CROCKER (1820- 1880) in Antony-by-Rame, Cornwall in 1841.
I would be delighted to give you more information if you so wish.
----- Original Message -----
From: Len Carslake
To: David Henwood
Sent: Thursday, November 27, 2008 10:47 PM
Subject: Dodd family
I have picked up your Devon L message with reference to the Dodd family.
My grandmother was Alice Ann Dodd b 1863 Horrabridge, d 3 / 5 / 1916 Newton Abbot.
She married Frederick Henry Carslake 21 / 9 / 1887 at Tavistock.
With the assistance of a Dodd family contact at Peter Tavy I have some other
details commencing with a marriage of John Dodd, b circa 1780, to Elizabeth Fuge.
What is your particular interest / link to the Dodd family ?
Leonard (Len) Carslake
My great*5 grandfather was William French (b c1708). He was born in St. Breward where he married Sarah (or Mary) BROWN (b c 1710) in 1730. They had 4 daughters and 2 sons there between 1731 & 1746 who later lived in various villages in North Cornwall. I have 42 entries (19th largest) for FRENCH in my database some of whom emigrated to Australia and elsewhere.
Anyone interested in the family is most welcome to contact me.
Roland GERMAN (1890-1972), my 5th cousin, of Bere Alston married Maude Mary FOOTE (1888-1986) also of Bere Alston in 1915 in Devonport. They emigrated to the USA.
Interested in any links?
Jane STIPLING (b 1835), my 1st cousin thrice removed, married William Richard EDWARDS (b c1835) in East Stonehouse in 1852 and had 2 daughters and a son in Devonport. Any links with your family?
you should get a clue from the next one or two census returns, striker in the shipyard riveter or engineer would I think follow, striker in print works followed by printer, striker in blacksmiths shop followed by Blacksmith. Rod
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Clear consensus that a 'striker' is a blacksmiths hammer-man or an operator
of a drop- hammer and elsewhere it has been suggested that connection to
Devonport/seaports might be iron, steam and rivets.
Also the family of Thomas Howard Hewson despite the poor quality of the
records, I must try to get one generation back to look for father Charles
Hewsons siblings to possibly find a Frederick Howard Hewson.
Having studied the m/cert again i am encouraged that Thomas Hewsons middle
name was very clearly 'Howard' - so many with middle initial 'H' turned out
to be 'Henry' also that Ardwick seems to be in Chorlton where gf was in
That's perfectly possible Bob - but it's not given as a definition for
'striker' on any of the old occupation sites.
The only things that are are blacksmith's helper or worker in tin
plate and the person who operates the harpoon on a whaling ship.
Perhaps his future occupation in later censuses might make it clearer
which is likely.
Anne ( with an 'e')
On 26 Nov 2008, at 17:11, Bob Hunter wrote:
>> Ann Peat wrote:
>> On 25 Nov 2008, at 07:39, Richard Fowler wrote:
>>> Grooms occupation is given as - i think- 'striker' and his father
>>> Hewson was a block printer. Apart from someone on strike or a
>>> footballer any
>>> idea what is a 'striker'.
>> I would think it is someone involved in heavy metal working - the
>> person who strikes the iron. Blacksmith's often had an assistant
>> called a striker.
> I prefer the alternative linked to his father's block printing
> trade, where
> printers "strike" a print, and suggest an occupation involving
> taking the
> first test print from a newly prepared block.